Post/Author/DateTime	Post
chipstacking 01-31-07, 03:00 PM	I'm playing an Elf Ultimate mage. I need a good humanoid that I can turn into. I would like a combination of decent natural armor and wings for flying. Does anyone have any suggestions?
journeyman777 01-31-07, 03:11 PM	You'll need to search the thread yourself, but this thread covers pretty much every form worth taking. Good Forms for Alter Self (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=176246)
malignor 02-01-07, 11:54 AM	Elf to Troglodyte (best for combat) -2 to listen, search and spot no more free search check on concealed doors lose racial WP of longsword, rapier, shortbow and longbow +6 natural armor +4 hide (change to +8 in rocky or underground terrain) 1d4/1d4 claws as primary weapon, and 1d4 bite as secondary weapon gain Multiattack feat (so you can do a full attack, followed up with a bite at -2 your full attack bonus) Arguably (though not officially) gain WP club and javelin Elf to Lizardman (best for athletics) -2 to listen, search and spot no more free search check on concealed doors lose racial WP of longsword, rapier, shortbow and longbow +5 natural armor +4 balance, jump, swim 1d4/1d4 claws as primary weapon, and 1d4 bite as secondary weapon (so you can do a full attack, followed up with a bite at -5 your full attack bonus) gain WP in all simple weapons and shield proficiency Elf to Forest Gnome (best for alchemy, and good for hiding) -2 to search and spot no more free search check on concealed doors lose racial WP of longsword, rapier, shortbow and longbow Small size. +1 bonus to Armor Class, +1 bonus on attack rolls, +4 bonus on Hide checks, -4 penalty on grapple checks, lifting and carrying limits ¾ those of Medium characters. speed drops by 10 feet (base 20) +2 on Craft(alchemy) checks +4 hide (+8 in woods)... this stacks with the +4 from small size Elf to Aquatic Elf (basic aquatic ability) gain swim speed 40' Elf to Locathah (advanced aquatic ability) -2 to listen, search and spot no more free search check on concealed doors lose racial WP of longsword, rapier, shortbow and longbow land speed 10', swim speed 60' +3 natural armor +8 swim checks, and can always take 10, and can run in a straight line unofficially (arguably) gain WP in longspears and light crossbows ################################## As for your familiar (remember Shared Spells?), that's a complicate ball of wax, and dependent on your DM. - Some DMs say it's a magical beast, as per the familiar listing. Thus it can only turn into magical beasts of appropriate size. - Some DMs (like mine) say it's an animal with a template or class abilities. Thus it can only turn into animals of appropriate size, then the resulting animal is modified by the "Familiar-ization". In essence you're using Alter Self to turn a mage with a familiar into a different mage with a different familiar. - Some DMs say that the Share Spells note of "ignore difference in type - treat as master's type" is dominant, so Alter Self turns the familiar into a humanoid of appropriate size. Talk to your DM.
chipstacking 02-01-07, 01:53 PM	So nothing that will grant flying and natural armor at the same time without being an outsider? Bummer. Thanks
malignor 02-01-07, 02:17 PM	It depends what world you're in. In Faerun (where my Elven Sorcerer is), there are Aaroka (sp?) bird-men, which can fly, as well as winged elves. There's also some desert reptillian humanoids with a burrow speed. I suggest you look into what humanoids are in your setting.
chipstacking 02-02-07, 04:46 PM	We are playing a "planes" campaign. We started out in the city of Union. So no real setting other then that.