Alter-Selg Usage [Archive] - Wizards Community

Alter-Selg Usage [Archive] - Wizards Community

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'G'
06-22-07, 08:12 PM Anyone got a list of non-monsterous humanioid forms that can be useed to better your AC, and movment capabilities. Some that I already know about include. Orc, Goblin, hobgoblin... Anyone got any others.

Here are some more and what the benefit is to this race (were creatures are in mid-were-form)
Werebear +7AC
Wererat +3AC
Weretiger +5AC
Locathath +3AC, amphibious, swim 60
Merfolk swim 50, amphibious
Elf, Aquatic swim 40, amphibious
Gnoll +1AC
Bugbear +3AC
WereBoar +8AC
WereWolf +4AC
Lizardfolk +5AC
Troglodyte +6AC
Goblin +1AC
Kobold +2AC

So far in my search I have not found any flyers, anyone know of one?
'G'
06-22-07, 10:40 PM ok
Mastel
06-22-07, 11:49 PM The alter self spell do not allow template even if it does change the creature type(PHBp.197).

The raptoran from race of the wild can glide & at 5 hit dice it can fly.
PhaedrusXY
06-23-07, 02:18 AM Check out the Alter Self thread in my sig.
'G'
06-23-07, 01:15 PM If you are using only the SRD, or the Cor rule books, ie DMG,PHB, and MM, then Were creatures are not templated. If you add the Complete series, they are still not templated. They only become templated when you add older books that allow monsterous humanoid classes, like the ROF, and Species books. Our group however is limited to Core Material, and a limited form of the Complete series, none of which mention were creatures as a templated monster. So I guess that would make it allowable for use with alter-self. We as of yet in three years have note used any templates as far as I know.
groveborn
06-23-07, 04:52 PM If you are using only the SRD, or the Cor rule books, ie DMG,PHB, and MM, then Were creatures are not templated. If you add the Complete series, they are still not templated. They only become templated when you add older books that allow monsterous humanoid classes, like the ROF, and Species books. Our group however is limited to Core Material, and a limited form of the Complete series, none of which mention were creatures as a templated monster. So I guess that would make it allowable for use with alter-self. We as of yet in three years have note used any templates as far as I know.

Interesting thought, but try again. Page 175 of the Monster Manual "Creating a Lycanthrope". It states clearly that it's a template.

Lizard Folk are pretty good with AC, but ultimately you're going to need to forgo Alter Self for Polymorph so you can be dragon.
Wrong
06-23-07, 05:53 PM Crucian (Sandstorm) : 20 ft. land speed, +8 natural armor.
dirkformica
06-23-07, 07:11 PM 3.5 Forms for Alter Self. (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=176246)
Wrong
06-24-07, 07:09 AM 3.5 Forms for Alter Self. (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=176246)The problem with this list is that you have to verify every entry. Crucian form does not give Iron Will and Weapon focus (warhammer), it does not give any bonus feat.
And the list seriously needs an update (Mongrelfolk entry, for example…)
ArcTan
06-24-07, 09:36 AM Anyone got a list of non-monsterous humanioid forms that can be useed to better your AC, and movment capabilities. Some that I already know about include. Orc, Goblin, hobgoblin... Anyone got any others.

Here are some more and what the benefit is to this race (were creatures are in mid-were-form)
Werebear +7AC
Wererat +3AC
Weretiger +5AC
Locathath +3AC, amphibious, swim 60
Merfolk swim 50, amphibious
Elf, Aquatic swim 40, amphibious
Gnoll +1AC
Bugbear +3AC
WereBoar +8AC
WereWolf +4AC
Lizardfolk +5AC
Troglodyte +6AC
Goblin +1AC
Kobold +2AC

So far in my search I have not found any flyers, anyone know of one?

Were-whatevers are not legal forms to change into with alter self or any of its descendants (polymorph or shapechange), because Lycanthrope is a template, and templates are disallowed from all these spells. (You similarly can't turn into a Half-Dragon, a Fiendish creature, a Vampire -- though you can turn into a Vampire Spawn with shapechange -- etc.)

I think the highest you can possibly boost your AC with alter self as a Humanoid is the Poison Dusk Lizardfolk.
ArcTan
06-24-07, 09:36 AM The alter self spell do not allow template even if it does change the creature type(PHBp.197).

The raptoran from race of the wild can glide & at 5 hit dice it can fly.

Can't turn into something with advanced HD with alter self (or any of its descendants) either, so the Raptoran form will only allow you to glide.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
'G' 06-22-07, 08:12 PM	Anyone got a list of non-monsterous humanioid forms that can be useed to better your AC, and movment capabilities. Some that I already know about include. Orc, Goblin, hobgoblin... Anyone got any others. Here are some more and what the benefit is to this race (were creatures are in mid-were-form) Werebear +7AC Wererat +3AC Weretiger +5AC Locathath +3AC, amphibious, swim 60 Merfolk swim 50, amphibious Elf, Aquatic swim 40, amphibious Gnoll +1AC Bugbear +3AC WereBoar +8AC WereWolf +4AC Lizardfolk +5AC Troglodyte +6AC Goblin +1AC Kobold +2AC So far in my search I have not found any flyers, anyone know of one?
'G' 06-22-07, 10:40 PM	ok
Mastel 06-22-07, 11:49 PM	The alter self spell do not allow template even if it does change the creature type(PHBp.197). The raptoran from race of the wild can glide & at 5 hit dice it can fly.
PhaedrusXY 06-23-07, 02:18 AM	Check out the Alter Self thread in my sig.
'G' 06-23-07, 01:15 PM	If you are using only the SRD, or the Cor rule books, ie DMG,PHB, and MM, then Were creatures are not templated. If you add the Complete series, they are still not templated. They only become templated when you add older books that allow monsterous humanoid classes, like the ROF, and Species books. Our group however is limited to Core Material, and a limited form of the Complete series, none of which mention were creatures as a templated monster. So I guess that would make it allowable for use with alter-self. We as of yet in three years have note used any templates as far as I know.
groveborn 06-23-07, 04:52 PM	If you are using only the SRD, or the Cor rule books, ie DMG,PHB, and MM, then Were creatures are not templated. If you add the Complete series, they are still not templated. They only become templated when you add older books that allow monsterous humanoid classes, like the ROF, and Species books. Our group however is limited to Core Material, and a limited form of the Complete series, none of which mention were creatures as a templated monster. So I guess that would make it allowable for use with alter-self. We as of yet in three years have note used any templates as far as I know. Interesting thought, but try again. Page 175 of the Monster Manual "Creating a Lycanthrope". It states clearly that it's a template. Lizard Folk are pretty good with AC, but ultimately you're going to need to forgo Alter Self for Polymorph so you can be dragon.
Wrong 06-23-07, 05:53 PM	Crucian (Sandstorm) : 20 ft. land speed, +8 natural armor.
dirkformica 06-23-07, 07:11 PM	3.5 Forms for Alter Self. (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=176246)
Wrong 06-24-07, 07:09 AM	3.5 Forms for Alter Self. (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=176246)The problem with this list is that you have to verify every entry. Crucian form does not give Iron Will and Weapon focus (warhammer), it does not give any bonus feat. And the list seriously needs an update (Mongrelfolk entry, for example…)
ArcTan 06-24-07, 09:36 AM	Anyone got a list of non-monsterous humanioid forms that can be useed to better your AC, and movment capabilities. Some that I already know about include. Orc, Goblin, hobgoblin... Anyone got any others. Here are some more and what the benefit is to this race (were creatures are in mid-were-form) Werebear +7AC Wererat +3AC Weretiger +5AC Locathath +3AC, amphibious, swim 60 Merfolk swim 50, amphibious Elf, Aquatic swim 40, amphibious Gnoll +1AC Bugbear +3AC WereBoar +8AC WereWolf +4AC Lizardfolk +5AC Troglodyte +6AC Goblin +1AC Kobold +2AC So far in my search I have not found any flyers, anyone know of one? Were-whatevers are not legal forms to change into with alter self or any of its descendants (polymorph or shapechange), because Lycanthrope is a template, and templates are disallowed from all these spells. (You similarly can't turn into a Half-Dragon, a Fiendish creature, a Vampire -- though you can turn into a Vampire Spawn with shapechange -- etc.) I think the highest you can possibly boost your AC with alter self as a Humanoid is the Poison Dusk Lizardfolk.
ArcTan 06-24-07, 09:36 AM	The alter self spell do not allow template even if it does change the creature type(PHBp.197). The raptoran from race of the wild can glide & at 5 hit dice it can fly. Can't turn into something with advanced HD with alter self (or any of its descendants) either, so the Raptoran form will only allow you to glide.