Alternate wand creation [Archive] - Wizards Community

Alternate wand creation [Archive] - Wizards Community

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smrtgmp
03-09-04, 12:53 AM How would I go about creating a wand with more than one spell? Would that basically be a wand sized staff (as far as item creation feats are concerned)? I'd like a wand with a few different related low level spells (similar to wands found in previois editions). I realize the current rules only support single spell wands, so I was wondering how you DMs out there would ad hoc this one. I figured I would probably have to use Craft Staff, but I dont really need the benefits provided by a staff (usnig your own CL, spells over 4th level).

What about creating a permanent wand (i.e., no charges)? For instance, a wand that could fire magic missle once / round. Would that simply be a wand-shaped wondrous item?

Thanks for the help
Gmp
the_heart
03-09-04, 06:43 AM i'm afraid your instincts are accurate.

multiple spells = wand sized staff (possibly, not sure if there is a minimum size for staffs)

permanent wand = wondrous item or more likely a rod.

the item creation feats are very specific in how they are applied. wands are always 50 charges, single spell up to 4th level. staves 50 charges, multiple spells or over 4th level. rods funky powers, and wondrous items are the miscellany.

one idea i've been considering is paring down the number of item creation feats and merging c. wand and c. staff, and adding c. rod to c. wondrous item.

until then my mages usually settle for c. wondrous, and go with 3/day trinkets. circlets stacked with several divinations are a current favourite.
Necron
03-09-04, 07:19 AM Well,

I dumped all item creation feats and have 3 feats (lesser, greater and mayor) instead.
With 'lesser' you can create anything up to 10k GP (max. SpL 3), with 'greater' up to 50k (max SpL 6) and 'mayor' ist to 200k (max SpL 9).
As a drawback you'll have to create the magic-item-to-be yourself as part of the enchantment .. so what you can build also depends on your adequate craft skill ...
Since I don't allow skill-enhancing items/spells/effects for the creation this is a real drawback since the DC depends on the marketprice.

Anyway .. so far it works.

Necron
Seeker95
03-09-04, 07:45 AM the_heart summed it up nicely.

One spell = Wand
Multiple spells = Staff
No charges = Rod or Wondrous Item

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
smrtgmp 03-09-04, 12:53 AM	How would I go about creating a wand with more than one spell? Would that basically be a wand sized staff (as far as item creation feats are concerned)? I'd like a wand with a few different related low level spells (similar to wands found in previois editions). I realize the current rules only support single spell wands, so I was wondering how you DMs out there would ad hoc this one. I figured I would probably have to use Craft Staff, but I dont really need the benefits provided by a staff (usnig your own CL, spells over 4th level). What about creating a permanent wand (i.e., no charges)? For instance, a wand that could fire magic missle once / round. Would that simply be a wand-shaped wondrous item? Thanks for the help Gmp
the_heart 03-09-04, 06:43 AM	i'm afraid your instincts are accurate. multiple spells = wand sized staff (possibly, not sure if there is a minimum size for staffs) permanent wand = wondrous item or more likely a rod. the item creation feats are very specific in how they are applied. wands are always 50 charges, single spell up to 4th level. staves 50 charges, multiple spells or over 4th level. rods funky powers, and wondrous items are the miscellany. one idea i've been considering is paring down the number of item creation feats and merging c. wand and c. staff, and adding c. rod to c. wondrous item. until then my mages usually settle for c. wondrous, and go with 3/day trinkets. circlets stacked with several divinations are a current favourite.
Necron 03-09-04, 07:19 AM	Well, I dumped all item creation feats and have 3 feats (lesser, greater and mayor) instead. With 'lesser' you can create anything up to 10k GP (max. SpL 3), with 'greater' up to 50k (max SpL 6) and 'mayor' ist to 200k (max SpL 9). As a drawback you'll have to create the magic-item-to-be yourself as part of the enchantment .. so what you can build also depends on your adequate craft skill ... Since I don't allow skill-enhancing items/spells/effects for the creation this is a real drawback since the DC depends on the marketprice. Anyway .. so far it works. Necron
Seeker95 03-09-04, 07:45 AM	the_heart summed it up nicely. One spell = Wand Multiple spells = Staff No charges = Rod or Wondrous Item