Alternatives for Invisibility and Greater Invisibility [Archive] - Wizards Community

Alternatives for Invisibility and Greater Invisibility [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
Wonton2006
03-26-06, 10:02 PM My Sorcerer, for reasons I don't want to get into, can't cast Illusion (glamer) spells. This disallows me to learn the ever-useful invisibility and greater invisibility. What are some alternatives I have?
theplaidknight
03-26-06, 11:44 PM Are the spells still on his list? Buy wands. Otherwise have your party's rogue use the wands.
Bloodtide_the_Red
03-27-06, 12:18 AM Well....Darkness is a way to become unseen. Glitterdust, Web, Obscuring Mist, Pyrotechnics, Sleet Storm, Fog Cloud, and Solid Fog can all work too.

You can use the other illusion figment spells.Minor Image for example, to hide behind the image of a tree.

Reduce person can make you less able to be seen.

The low level shapechange spells can also work...look for races with Hide bonuses for racial skills. You can also attempt to blend in.

You can go for the Hide and bluff skills. Take ranks in them. And then cast spells to enhance them.

You can always take the charm route and convince folks you were never there......charm person, hypnotism, daze, suggestion, confusion and such.

You can go the sleep route too, as well as holds and other such charms.

And the old distract trick. Set the hay wagon on fire with burning hands and do your sneky stuff while they are putting it out....

BT
mordeus
03-27-06, 02:44 AM Red I like you!! :D
One of the best ways to become "invisible" is through roleplaying methods like the ones red mentioned.It is also challenging to try to adapt to every different situation than casting always invisibility.You can also try disguise self and with your (I hope) high bluff take the face of one of your enemies and when they wont look at you, you can make them sorry for beeing enemies of you!! ;) :smirk: :fight!: :fight!:
Wonton2006
03-27-06, 03:50 PM I was thinking Greater Invisibility for the rogue, cause, by the time I would have had it, if my Rogue two-weapon fought, that would equal three sneak attacks per round (+5d6 on each).
tarkin
03-27-06, 03:58 PM For ranged attacks, Rogues can often get as much use out of Tiny Hut as from Greater Invisibility.

Also, at higher levels, YOU (but not the rogue friend), can benefit from Project Image, which is a Shadow effect, not a glamer.
Bloodtide_the_Red
03-28-06, 11:04 PM If the question was realy 'how do I help my rouge buddy get sneak attacks', there are plenty of spells that can do that. All you need to do is deny the target the use of thier Dexterity bonus.

Look for spells that cause blindness, stun or grapple.

Or you could just go with the old, attack the same target as your buddy rouge and let him flank.

BT
mordeus
03-29-06, 09:11 AM Again red is right!! :D :D :D
If you want to create sneak conditions for the rogue you have a vast variety of spells...
Grease,glitterdust,blindness,fog,flankin g with summoned monster and so many others...
Seeker95
03-29-06, 09:16 AM :tiphat: to all offering wonderful suggestions on this thread. I can in to offer some, and saw my ideas were already offered, or were insignificant compared to yours.
CaoSlayer
03-29-06, 12:00 PM Gaseous form it is another great spell, being a cloud of gas it is as safe as being invisible.
tarkin
03-29-06, 01:17 PM It is extremely dificult to sneak attack while in gaseous form.

" It can’t attack or cast spells with verbal, somatic, material, or focus components while in gaseous form"

You need to use a to hit spell with silent and/or still and possibly eschew material components as well.
xAndurilx
03-29-06, 01:54 PM Invisibility???
Simple.

Polymorph into a Willowwisp and use the (Ex) ability of Natural Invisibility.

...

You will also be able to fly perfect 50ft, immune to Magic, and can attack with 2d8 electric damage.
CaoSlayer
03-29-06, 02:34 PM It is extremely dificult to sneak attack while in gaseous form.

While gaseous form true isnt, but provides a great way to sneak into someone bedroom and proceed to coup de grace him.

obviously invisibility=/=gaseous form, but have several new advantages and disadvantages including fly, passing through most doors and damage reduction.
Wonton2006
03-29-06, 03:44 PM Both Magic Immunity and Natural Invisibility are Extraordinary Special Qualities, so you don't get them when you polymorph.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Wonton2006 03-26-06, 10:02 PM	My Sorcerer, for reasons I don't want to get into, can't cast Illusion (glamer) spells. This disallows me to learn the ever-useful invisibility and greater invisibility. What are some alternatives I have?
theplaidknight 03-26-06, 11:44 PM	Are the spells still on his list? Buy wands. Otherwise have your party's rogue use the wands.
Bloodtide_the_Red 03-27-06, 12:18 AM	Well....Darkness is a way to become unseen. Glitterdust, Web, Obscuring Mist, Pyrotechnics, Sleet Storm, Fog Cloud, and Solid Fog can all work too. You can use the other illusion figment spells.Minor Image for example, to hide behind the image of a tree. Reduce person can make you less able to be seen. The low level shapechange spells can also work...look for races with Hide bonuses for racial skills. You can also attempt to blend in. You can go for the Hide and bluff skills. Take ranks in them. And then cast spells to enhance them. You can always take the charm route and convince folks you were never there......charm person, hypnotism, daze, suggestion, confusion and such. You can go the sleep route too, as well as holds and other such charms. And the old distract trick. Set the hay wagon on fire with burning hands and do your sneky stuff while they are putting it out.... BT
mordeus 03-27-06, 02:44 AM	Red I like you!! :D One of the best ways to become "invisible" is through roleplaying methods like the ones red mentioned.It is also challenging to try to adapt to every different situation than casting always invisibility.You can also try disguise self and with your (I hope) high bluff take the face of one of your enemies and when they wont look at you, you can make them sorry for beeing enemies of you!! ;) :smirk: :fight!: :fight!:
Wonton2006 03-27-06, 03:50 PM	I was thinking Greater Invisibility for the rogue, cause, by the time I would have had it, if my Rogue two-weapon fought, that would equal three sneak attacks per round (+5d6 on each).
tarkin 03-27-06, 03:58 PM	For ranged attacks, Rogues can often get as much use out of Tiny Hut as from Greater Invisibility. Also, at higher levels, YOU (but not the rogue friend), can benefit from Project Image, which is a Shadow effect, not a glamer.
Bloodtide_the_Red 03-28-06, 11:04 PM	If the question was realy 'how do I help my rouge buddy get sneak attacks', there are plenty of spells that can do that. All you need to do is deny the target the use of thier Dexterity bonus. Look for spells that cause blindness, stun or grapple. Or you could just go with the old, attack the same target as your buddy rouge and let him flank. BT
mordeus 03-29-06, 09:11 AM	Again red is right!! :D :D :D If you want to create sneak conditions for the rogue you have a vast variety of spells... Grease,glitterdust,blindness,fog,flankin g with summoned monster and so many others...
Seeker95 03-29-06, 09:16 AM	:tiphat: to all offering wonderful suggestions on this thread. I can in to offer some, and saw my ideas were already offered, or were insignificant compared to yours.
CaoSlayer 03-29-06, 12:00 PM	Gaseous form it is another great spell, being a cloud of gas it is as safe as being invisible.
tarkin 03-29-06, 01:17 PM	It is extremely dificult to sneak attack while in gaseous form. " It can’t attack or cast spells with verbal, somatic, material, or focus components while in gaseous form" You need to use a to hit spell with silent and/or still and possibly eschew material components as well.
xAndurilx 03-29-06, 01:54 PM	Invisibility??? Simple. Polymorph into a Willowwisp and use the (Ex) ability of Natural Invisibility. ... You will also be able to fly perfect 50ft, immune to Magic, and can attack with 2d8 electric damage.
CaoSlayer 03-29-06, 02:34 PM	It is extremely dificult to sneak attack while in gaseous form. While gaseous form true isnt, but provides a great way to sneak into someone bedroom and proceed to coup de grace him. obviously invisibility=/=gaseous form, but have several new advantages and disadvantages including fly, passing through most doors and damage reduction.
Wonton2006 03-29-06, 03:44 PM	Both Magic Immunity and Natural Invisibility are Extraordinary Special Qualities, so you don't get them when you polymorph.