"Real" Portable Hole [Archive] - Wizards Community

"Real" Portable Hole [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Aubri
08-13-07, 04:20 PM The Portable Hole, to me, doesn't work the way you'd expect. It's just a super bag-of-holding. Is there any item that works like a portable hole in cartoons, where you just stick it to a surface for a Passwall effect?
ArcTan
08-13-07, 05:16 PM That's the old-school portable hole. I think they discontinued it in 3.0 because, even though it was cool, it was also a confusing effect that could have a lot of unpredictable consequences and raised annoying questions. ("Can I use it to kill a monster by making a hole through his chest? Then what happens when I remove it again -- is he instantly healed?")
tarkin
08-13-07, 05:21 PM Things that work the way you think it should:

Marvelous Pigments.

Just paint a tunnel.

Exactly like the cartoon.
ArcTan
08-13-07, 09:59 PM Where'd you get that idea? Marvelous pigments create objects; they cannot destroy existing objects (which is what would have to happen for you to "draw" a hole in a wall and make the hole real). When you paint something with marvelous pigments, you paint it on a surface and the real object pops up *out* of the surface.
Aubri
08-13-07, 10:03 PM Where'd you get that idea? Marvelous pigments create objects; they cannot destroy existing objects (which is what would have to happen for you to "draw" a hole in a wall and make the hole real). When you paint something with marvelous pigments, you paint it on a surface and the real object pops up *out* of the surface.

Hold on, there -- by that logic you can't paint a doorway either, and that's one of the canonical uses. Clearly painting a piece of architecture -- including a hole -- makes it real.
Aubri
08-13-07, 10:04 PM That's the old-school portable hole. I think they discontinued it in 3.0 because, even though it was cool, it was also a confusing effect that could have a lot of unpredictable consequences and raised annoying questions. ("Can I use it to kill a monster by making a hole through his chest? Then what happens when I remove it again -- is he instantly healed?")

I see. That's kinda sad, though -- I may have to play with that a little. :)

As far as marvellous pigments go, that's fine for one use, but not as a reusable item.
periscope
08-14-07, 02:11 AM you could just ask the DM about making something like that, just that it has no effect on creatures, only objects (or at least while the creatures are still up and about).
schpeelah
08-14-07, 06:22 AM Or that is still extraplanar space, just a different kind of it. Then, using it to make holes in things won't harm them.
tarkin
08-14-07, 11:41 AM It is true that the SRD's description does not make it clear you can make a put.

But if you read the ACTUAL DMG, on page 263 they give examples including drawing a pit and drawing an open, unoccupied room.

It is QUITE clear that you can in fact use Nolzur's Marvelous Pigments to create a tunnell.

You can not create valuables, nor an you create 'creatures', but you can create living plants as well as objects and empty spaces.

Also, if you are looking for a small portable gate, they are called Ring Gates.

They come in pairs, you enter one and come out the other. They have a distance limitation, but it is fairly large.
NeueRegel
08-14-07, 12:40 PM Seems to me, that you could make a different version of your 'portable hole' as a magic item that duplicates the 'passwall' spell. Probably limited to 1 or 3 uses (in separate places) per day, with some tweaking. I'm not one for magic item creation, somebody else will/would have to do the "tweaking".

Neue
Aubri
08-14-07, 12:44 PM Seems to me, that you could make a different version of your 'portable hole' as a magic item that duplicates the 'passwall' spell. Probably limited to 1 or 3 uses (in separate places) per day, with some tweaking. I'm not one for magic item creation, somebody else will/would have to do the "tweaking".

Neue

That was my initial thought, and I expect it would work just fine. Grabbable from both sides, naturally...

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Aubri 08-13-07, 04:20 PM	The Portable Hole, to me, doesn't work the way you'd expect. It's just a super bag-of-holding. Is there any item that works like a portable hole in cartoons, where you just stick it to a surface for a Passwall effect?
ArcTan 08-13-07, 05:16 PM	That's the old-school portable hole. I think they discontinued it in 3.0 because, even though it was cool, it was also a confusing effect that could have a lot of unpredictable consequences and raised annoying questions. ("Can I use it to kill a monster by making a hole through his chest? Then what happens when I remove it again -- is he instantly healed?")
tarkin 08-13-07, 05:21 PM	Things that work the way you think it should: Marvelous Pigments. Just paint a tunnel. Exactly like the cartoon.
ArcTan 08-13-07, 09:59 PM	Where'd you get that idea? Marvelous pigments create objects; they cannot destroy existing objects (which is what would have to happen for you to "draw" a hole in a wall and make the hole real). When you paint something with marvelous pigments, you paint it on a surface and the real object pops up out of the surface.
Aubri 08-13-07, 10:03 PM	Where'd you get that idea? Marvelous pigments create objects; they cannot destroy existing objects (which is what would have to happen for you to "draw" a hole in a wall and make the hole real). When you paint something with marvelous pigments, you paint it on a surface and the real object pops up out of the surface. Hold on, there -- by that logic you can't paint a doorway either, and that's one of the canonical uses. Clearly painting a piece of architecture -- including a hole -- makes it real.
Aubri 08-13-07, 10:04 PM	That's the old-school portable hole. I think they discontinued it in 3.0 because, even though it was cool, it was also a confusing effect that could have a lot of unpredictable consequences and raised annoying questions. ("Can I use it to kill a monster by making a hole through his chest? Then what happens when I remove it again -- is he instantly healed?") I see. That's kinda sad, though -- I may have to play with that a little. :) As far as marvellous pigments go, that's fine for one use, but not as a reusable item.
periscope 08-14-07, 02:11 AM	you could just ask the DM about making something like that, just that it has no effect on creatures, only objects (or at least while the creatures are still up and about).
schpeelah 08-14-07, 06:22 AM	Or that is still extraplanar space, just a different kind of it. Then, using it to make holes in things won't harm them.
tarkin 08-14-07, 11:41 AM	It is true that the SRD's description does not make it clear you can make a put. But if you read the ACTUAL DMG, on page 263 they give examples including drawing a pit and drawing an open, unoccupied room. It is QUITE clear that you can in fact use Nolzur's Marvelous Pigments to create a tunnell. You can not create valuables, nor an you create 'creatures', but you can create living plants as well as objects and empty spaces. Also, if you are looking for a small portable gate, they are called Ring Gates. They come in pairs, you enter one and come out the other. They have a distance limitation, but it is fairly large.
NeueRegel 08-14-07, 12:40 PM	Seems to me, that you could make a different version of your 'portable hole' as a magic item that duplicates the 'passwall' spell. Probably limited to 1 or 3 uses (in separate places) per day, with some tweaking. I'm not one for magic item creation, somebody else will/would have to do the "tweaking". Neue
Aubri 08-14-07, 12:44 PM	Seems to me, that you could make a different version of your 'portable hole' as a magic item that duplicates the 'passwall' spell. Probably limited to 1 or 3 uses (in separate places) per day, with some tweaking. I'm not one for magic item creation, somebody else will/would have to do the "tweaking". Neue That was my initial thought, and I expect it would work just fine. Grabbable from both sides, naturally...