Animal Growth + Wildshape - Incompatible? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Animal Growth + Wildshape - Incompatible? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Druid Roxors
08-05-04, 01:48 PM I have a problem, Animal growth has the tag that says "Multiple magical effects that increase size do not stack" But, Does wildshape increse size? Or does it CHANGE size?

Are there any official rullings about this?
Krelios
08-05-04, 02:33 PM Wildshape is based on Polymorph.
Polymorph changes your size, rather than increasing it.
Therefore, Wildshape is not a magical effect that increases size.
Therefore, Wildshape + Animal Growth is perfectly valid.

Think of it another way. If Wildshape let you become a non-normal size animal, it could be argued that it wouldn't stack with Animal Growth. However, if you Wildshape into a wolf, you are ALWAYS a medium wolf. You cannot Wildshape directly into a Large Wolf. You can even Wildshape into something smaller than you. There is nothing in either spell/ability description to prevent them working together.
Druid Roxors
08-05-04, 02:38 PM I do believe this is correct. That they should work togeather. There is a discussion going on on the Core Coliseum about how these two abilities intearct. I have used those arguments before, but I am affraid they will not be sufficient to convince my comarades.

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Krelios
08-05-04, 02:42 PM They don't have to play by the rules if they don't want to...
freemoody
08-05-04, 07:12 PM Here's an example of some arguments against this combo.

"Multiple magical effects that increase size do not stack."

Wild shape is (Su), and as such, a magical effect. Therefore, according to the rules, a Wildshaped druid can only grow further with Animal Growth if he/she Wildshaped into a shape that is smaller than or equal to their original form in size.

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A supernatural ability, according to the PHB, pg. 314 is: "A magical power that produces a particular effect..."
Now, the spell "Animal Growth" is a spell, therefore a magical effect. Since it states in the spell that "Multiple magical effects that increase size do not stack," they do not stack, if Wildshape is considered to increase size rather than change size (although I cannot really see the difference...).

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Druid Roxors 08-05-04, 01:48 PM	I have a problem, Animal growth has the tag that says "Multiple magical effects that increase size do not stack" But, Does wildshape increse size? Or does it CHANGE size? Are there any official rullings about this?
Krelios 08-05-04, 02:33 PM	Wildshape is based on Polymorph. Polymorph changes your size, rather than increasing it. Therefore, Wildshape is not a magical effect that increases size. Therefore, Wildshape + Animal Growth is perfectly valid. Think of it another way. If Wildshape let you become a non-normal size animal, it could be argued that it wouldn't stack with Animal Growth. However, if you Wildshape into a wolf, you are ALWAYS a medium wolf. You cannot Wildshape directly into a Large Wolf. You can even Wildshape into something smaller than you. There is nothing in either spell/ability description to prevent them working together.
Druid Roxors 08-05-04, 02:38 PM	I do believe this is correct. That they should work togeather. There is a discussion going on on the Core Coliseum about how these two abilities intearct. I have used those arguments before, but I am affraid they will not be sufficient to convince my comarades. [check sig for Link]
Krelios 08-05-04, 02:42 PM	They don't have to play by the rules if they don't want to...
freemoody 08-05-04, 07:12 PM	Here's an example of some arguments against this combo. "Multiple magical effects that increase size do not stack." Wild shape is (Su), and as such, a magical effect. Therefore, according to the rules, a Wildshaped druid can only grow further with Animal Growth if he/she Wildshaped into a shape that is smaller than or equal to their original form in size. & A supernatural ability, according to the PHB, pg. 314 is: "A magical power that produces a particular effect..." Now, the spell "Animal Growth" is a spell, therefore a magical effect. Since it states in the spell that "Multiple magical effects that increase size do not stack," they do not stack, if Wildshape is considered to increase size rather than change size (although I cannot really see the difference...).