Animate Dead and Size Increase [Archive] - Wizards Community

Animate Dead and Size Increase [Archive] - Wizards Community

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guerrerodelarcoiris
02-26-06, 04:13 PM I have a doubt:

when animating a Zombie with an "animate dead" spell (players handbook page 198) the zombie rises with double the base creature hit dice.
In the zombie description in the monster manual (page 266) in the advancement entry it reads: "as base creature, but duble hit dice (maximum 20)"

so if i animate, for example, a worg (medium magical beast, 4 HD) (monster manual page 256) wich has advancement "5-6 HD(medium), 7-12(large)", would it be large?

i don't really understand the advancement entry in the zombie description: does it means that the advancement doubles, so that the zombie-worg would be "10-12 HD(medium), 14-20(large)"? or it means it is setting a limit to the hit dice of the zombie?

in other way, if i animate a worg, would i have a 8 HD large zombie with its corresponding strenght increases (+8 str from medium to large)?

thanks in advance
True Cavalier
02-26-06, 07:44 PM I don't think these advancements apply. These are purely for the DM to make tougher challenges. You are not "advancing" the worg by animating it, you just have a Medium Worg Zombie with 8HD.

At least that's my take on it (I think it's correct, too ;) )
guerrerodelarcoiris
02-27-06, 08:14 AM what i am stating is this:

the worg's advancement entry says a worg with 8 HD is large.
the zombie's advancement entry says that advancement is as base creature

if i have a worg zombie with 8 HD, and a worg with 8 HD is large, and a zombie worg has advancement as base creature, do i have a large worg zombie or i am missreading the zombie advancement entry?
do you understand "worg" im' saying?
jaelis
02-27-06, 09:09 AM A worg zombie with 8 HD is not a worg with 8 HD, it is a zombie. A large, 8 HD worg would become a large 16 HD zombie.

If you look at the zombie examples in the Monster Manual, you'll see that they are all the same size as the unadvanced base creature.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
guerrerodelarcoiris 02-26-06, 04:13 PM	I have a doubt: when animating a Zombie with an "animate dead" spell (players handbook page 198) the zombie rises with double the base creature hit dice. In the zombie description in the monster manual (page 266) in the advancement entry it reads: "as base creature, but duble hit dice (maximum 20)" so if i animate, for example, a worg (medium magical beast, 4 HD) (monster manual page 256) wich has advancement "5-6 HD(medium), 7-12(large)", would it be large? i don't really understand the advancement entry in the zombie description: does it means that the advancement doubles, so that the zombie-worg would be "10-12 HD(medium), 14-20(large)"? or it means it is setting a limit to the hit dice of the zombie? in other way, if i animate a worg, would i have a 8 HD large zombie with its corresponding strenght increases (+8 str from medium to large)? thanks in advance
True Cavalier 02-26-06, 07:44 PM	I don't think these advancements apply. These are purely for the DM to make tougher challenges. You are not "advancing" the worg by animating it, you just have a Medium Worg Zombie with 8HD. At least that's my take on it (I think it's correct, too ;) )
guerrerodelarcoiris 02-27-06, 08:14 AM	what i am stating is this: the worg's advancement entry says a worg with 8 HD is large. the zombie's advancement entry says that advancement is as base creature if i have a worg zombie with 8 HD, and a worg with 8 HD is large, and a zombie worg has advancement as base creature, do i have a large worg zombie or i am missreading the zombie advancement entry? do you understand "worg" im' saying?
jaelis 02-27-06, 09:09 AM	A worg zombie with 8 HD is not a worg with 8 HD, it is a zombie. A large, 8 HD worg would become a large 16 HD zombie. If you look at the zombie examples in the Monster Manual, you'll see that they are all the same size as the unadvanced base creature.