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moebius2007 05-07-07, 05:33 PM	In short, would this work? and how? For example, I cast the antimagic field and then i use the extrardinary spell aim feature, excluding me from the spell area, if i am fighting melee with someone how would this affect the combat? Id like to have your views in this. Cheers!
Shadowmind64 05-07-07, 10:22 PM	this would work exactly how one would think, they are affected, you are not. It might be prudent of me to mention that some spells could still be cast out, more specifically the orb spells. They would fly right through.
kjenks 05-07-07, 11:39 PM	And keep in mind that the range of Antimagic Field is only 10 ft. Since no spell effect can extend beyond that range, you still have a very small area, even with Sculpt Spell. Sculpt Spell + AMF in four 10x10 squares can be tiled to exclude a medium-sized spellcaster.
tarkin 05-08-07, 11:04 AM	Note, I would rule that magic weapons that hit you should count as magical. They are in your body when they do damage, so count as magical, at least the body part. Among other things, this would prevent you from having DR/Magic but claiming the weapons can not beat the DR because of the anti-magic field. In addition, just as you could throw orbs out of the field, other people could throw orbs INTO the field, striking you. In addition, spells that do not require Line of Effect should be able to affect you. Finally, while you could teleport out, technically, other spells could force you to teleport.
CantripN 05-08-07, 11:16 AM	In addition, spells that do not require Line of Effect should be able to affect you. Finally, while you could teleport out, technically, other spells could force you to teleport. Such as what, tarkin? We've already established you don't have LOE through an AMF, so Translocation Trick won't work since it needs LOE... It doesn't work by line of sight, but by line of effect, which is blocked. Teleport, Buffs, and other Instantaneous Conjurations could work if cast on your square (Teleport targets you, rather than your destination, since that is the effect...).
Merestil Haye 05-08-07, 12:03 PM	I'm quite happy to allow the caster to exclude other creatures from the effect; but not themselves. So I houserule that a spell with an Area entry that is centred on a specific creature (rather than a point in space) cannot have the creature it is centred on excluded from the effect without completely nullifying the spell.
mvincent 05-08-07, 01:18 PM	Note, I would rule that magic weapons that hit you should count as magical.From the 3.5 FAQ: "If I attack from inside an antimagic field (PH 200) using a magic weapon, do I gain the benefit of the weapon if the target is outside the antimagic field? What about if I attack from outside against a target inside? In neither case does the weapon’s benefit apply. Both the attacker and the target must be outside the antimagic field for any magic of the weapon (or other effects) to apply. (If you made a ranged attack across an antimagic field—that is, from outside the area, across some part of the spell’s area, against another target outside the area—the attack would resolve normally.)"
tarkin 05-08-07, 02:18 PM	Such as what, tarkin? We've already established you don't have LOE through an AMF, so Translocation Trick won't work since it needs LOE... It doesn't work by line of sight, but by line of effect, which is blocked. Teleport, Buffs, and other Instantaneous Conjurations could work if cast on your square (Teleport targets you, rather than your destination, since that is the effect...). Translocation Trick, like all Teleport spells has LOE through the Astral plane. In otherwords despite your bold claim with no evidence, Translocation Trick does NOT need standard LOE, because it is a teleport spell. Your claim is like saying "Hey, this spell, that can reach through solid walls and move me to this other place? It can't do it cause there is a solid wall in the way". [Teleport] spells get LOE through the Astral plane. Unless it says otherwise in the spell description, if it has the [Teleport] subtype, you don't need to pay attention to LOE. Not for where you are allowed to end up, and not for creatures you target. Anything else is just a house rule you made up to limit [Teleport] spells.
CantripN 05-08-07, 02:22 PM	Again, the Target of the Teleport spell isn't it's destination, it's the people you take for the ride. Teleport type spells follow LOE quite clearly, but their effect doesn't. You can't use Translocation Trick to get through a Wall, if you can't target people on the other side. Which you can't do. Here: http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/teleport.htm Target: You and touched objects or other touched willing creatures Range: Personal and touch. But the spell also states it can do this: This spell instantly transports you to a designated destination, which may be as distant as 100 miles per caster level. So by your logic, I'd also need to have to be able to touch something up to 100 miles CL away...
Nephelim 06-27-07, 11:17 PM	Note, I would rule that magic weapons that hit you should count as magical. They are in your body when they do damage, so count as magical, at least the body part. Among other things, this would prevent you from having DR/Magic but claiming the weapons can not beat the DR because of the anti-magic field. In addition, just as you could throw orbs out of the field, other people could throw orbs INTO the field, striking you. In addition, spells that do not require Line of Effect should be able to affect you. Finally, while you could teleport out, technically, other spells could force you to teleport. I don't agree with the first assertion, on the basis that it is not the dimensions of the Caster's body that define where the AMF end, it is that you are referring to the caster in themselves. The sword, even if it intersects with the Mage, is still within the bounds of the AMF... Extraordinary Spell Aim allows you to EXCLUDE a target, not AVOID them. The AMF would simply not interact with the mage at all. The Mage could then Polymorph or cast any other spell that has a target of Personal or Touch (assuming they touch themselves... *juvenile snicker*) but that does not mean that any other effect entering the same physical boundaries as the mage would be excluded from the AMF. I agree, though, that spells that do not require LoE would be able to target the mage. I'm not sure about the Orbs being able to pass through the AMF... what's the logic there?
NightBreeze 06-28-07, 02:54 PM	Translocation Trick, like all Teleport spells has LOE through the Astral plane. In otherwords despite your bold claim with no evidence, Translocation Trick does NOT need standard LOE, because it is a teleport spell. Your claim is like saying "Hey, this spell, that can reach through solid walls and move me to this other place? It can't do it cause there is a solid wall in the way". [Teleport] spells get LOE through the Astral plane. Unless it says otherwise in the spell description, if it has the [Teleport] subtype, you don't need to pay attention to LOE. Not for where you are allowed to end up, and not for creatures you target. Anything else is just a house rule you made up to limit [Teleport] spells. The effect may work via the astral plane, but as you need a target for this spell, you need line of effect with him.
tarkin 06-28-07, 03:15 PM	1. You HAVE Line of EFFECT to him. It goes THROUGH the Astral Plane. Can you teleport out of locked room, to a dungeon a mile away? Yes you can. What about Line of Effect? You Have Line of effect from your locked room, into the Astral Plane, back to the material plane in the dungeon. It is really a very simple concept to understand. Line of effect goes THROUGH the astral plane, for any Teleport spell. If I can teleport to a location, blocked by a wall, and I can teleport an object (Instant Summons) to me, then I can pull an object from within a Force Cage, or also blocked by antimagic. If I can do it to an object, then I can trade locations with a person using Translocation Trick. Simple logic, once you understand what an Astral Plane is and how Teleport works. -------- As for the silly idea that a sword inside your body is still affected by anti-magic: Fine. I will accept your concept of anti-magic not working on objects touching/inside your body. IF... You accept that (using your interpreation, not mine) that all the magic items you are wearing cease to work. After all, they are not part of your body, they are just touching it. D20 however rules otherwise. Objects touching your body are counted as attended. So should the sword. You should NOT be able to use your own magic items that touch your body but stop your opponents magic items that are touching your body
mvincent 06-28-07, 03:26 PM	1. You HAVE Line of EFFECT to him. It goes THROUGH the Astral Plane.That is not "line of effect". Teleportation, similar plane-shifting spells, scrying, etc. do not normally need line of effect. From the glossary (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/glossary&term=Glossary_dnd_lineofeffect&alpha=L): "Line of effect is just like line of sight, except line of effect ignores restrictions on visual ability. " and "To determine line of sight, draw an imaginary line between your space and the target's space. If any such line is clear (not blocked), then you have line of sight to the creature (and it has line of sight to you). The line is clear if it doesn't intersect or even touch squares that block line of sight."
NightBreeze 06-28-07, 06:45 PM	1. You HAVE Line of EFFECT to him. It goes THROUGH the Astral Plane. Can you teleport out of locked room, to a dungeon a mile away? Yes you can. What about Line of Effect? You Have Line of effect from your locked room, into the Astral Plane, back to the material plane in the dungeon. It is really a very simple concept to understand. Of course you can teleport in a dungeon from one mile away. But you don't have LoE. They why you can do it? Because teleport does not require LoE : the target is: you and other persons you touch. LoE is requested only for spells with a target. Not personal or touch spells.
CantripN 06-29-07, 02:47 AM	Of course you can teleport in a dungeon from one mile away. But you don't have LoE. They why you can do it? Because teleport does not require LoE : the target is: you and other persons you touch. LoE is requested only for spells with a target. Not personal or touch spells. Correct. Tarkin has been arguing this point for quite a while, even though it has been proven to be incorrect several times already.