Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Baronh2o 03-06-07, 11:36 PM	Simple question, can an Antimagic Field be made permanent with the permanency spell. Second question, can the Antimagic Field spell be put into an item, with perhaps use activated charges.
[GSV] Kirstar 03-07-07, 05:02 AM	No & No
Naderion 03-07-07, 08:07 AM	1. No, it's not listed in the spells discription and it does not really fit in with the other spells listed there. 2. Sure, why not? It's a spell like every other.
Seeker95 03-07-07, 09:20 AM	I agree with Naderion's answer, and with one half of [GSV] Kirstar's answer. But the cost of creating an anti-magic field item is likely to make it a high-level-access item only.
Witch 03-07-07, 11:16 AM	Hmmm. I'm unsure as to what to think of an antimagic field item. A continuous one would definitely be an artifact. I'd need to think of other possibilities.
tarkin 03-07-07, 12:27 PM	My basic rule for pricing Antimagic is simple. While you can choose to use Anti-Magic Field (6th level spell) as the pre-req, if you intend the item to be useable by non-casters, you need to price it as a 7th level spell. This is because the only difference between the 6th level spell Anti-Magic Field and the 7th level spell Anti-Magic Aura is the fact that Aura can be targetted on other people. Anti-Magic by definition is NOT something that an 11th or higher level caster wants on themselves, so it is an inbuilt weakness of the spell that lets it be 6th level. If when you build the magic item, you remove the inbuilt weakness, you need to raise the price. Luckily we already know the fair price, due to the existence of the 7th level version of the spell.
Seeker95 03-07-07, 02:24 PM	I find tarkin's reasoning on this to be incredibly reasonable. And I wish I had noticed this myself. :tiphat:
Hendel 03-07-07, 03:06 PM	It is not on the list of uses for the Wish spell, but as a DM I might not have a problem with someone using it to make an antimagic field/aura permanent. Not an official answer, just a personal one. Also, I had thought of posting this on a new thread (I hate to co-opt BaronH2O's thread), but since the topic was Antimagic, I will just throw it out here. What is everyone's opinion on the following: I have a caster who has a Contingency spell that is worded that when he enters an antimagic area to set off a teleport to send him back to his home. I do not believe that the Contingency has any ability to divine what is about to happen, it only reacts to a set of predetermined conditions. In this situation, does that mean that it tries to go off, but cannot because the caster is ALREADY in the antimagic area. What if as the caster steps into the area and the toe of his boot touches it, the Contingency goes off and since only the slightest fraction of him is in the antimagic area, he teleports off to home safe and sound. Alternatively, another caster casts an Antimagic Field and as the emanation reaches the caster with the Contingency, the same effect happens. The emanation touches his boot and sets off the predetermined set of conditions and, poof, he is gone. What do you think? (Should I post this elsewhere to not take attention away from the original post?)
ArcTan 03-07-07, 03:13 PM	It is not on the list of uses for the Wish spell, but as a DM I might not have a problem with someone using it to make an antimagic field/aura permanent. Not an official answer, just a personal one. Also, I had thought of posting this on a new thread (I hate to co-opt BaronH2O's thread), but since the topic was Antimagic, I will just throw it out here. What is everyone's opinion on the following: I have a caster who has a Contingency spell that is worded that when he enters an antimagic area to set off a teleport to send him back to his home. I do not believe that the Contingency has any ability to divine what is about to happen, it only reacts to a set of predetermined conditions. In this situation, does that mean that it tries to go off, but cannot because the caster is ALREADY in the antimagic area. What if as the caster steps into the area and the toe of his boot touches it, the Contingency goes off and since only the slightest fraction of him is in the antimagic area, he teleports off to home safe and sound. Alternatively, another caster casts an Antimagic Field and as the emanation reaches the caster with the Contingency, the same effect happens. The emanation touches his boot and sets off the predetermined set of conditions and, poof, he is gone. What do you think? (Should I post this elsewhere to not take attention away from the original post?) It's this kind of thing that, at least according to Design and Development articles, makes antimagic field the second most hated spell among the design team, right after polymorph (which finally frustrated them so much they got rid of it). My sense is that, even though it makes perfect sense if you picture it in your head to imagine "touching" the AMF with your toe, the spirit of the rules is that you're not "in" an AMF if it's not affecting you, and whether the AMF is affecting you or not is a binary thing having to do with your whole body -- none of this "But my hand is still outside of it" business. Go back to D&D's wargame roots and think of each creature as an individual unit that's either in a zone or not in a zone, and handwave something to do with the "Laws of Magic" if you want to explain it in in-game-world terms. (Like, a spell "reads" a person as a discrete entity and will only "take hold" of them if it can take hold of all of them. Or something.) So yes, I think the spirit of the rules is that the contigency would not work, if phrased in this manner. One that was phrased as "If there is an AMF anywhere within 10 feet of me" might work, though.
Seeker95 03-07-07, 05:09 PM	Shorter answer: entering an AMF is not a condition that can successfully trigger a contingency. The trigger prevents the contingency from working.