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GreenKnight 11-12-05, 02:56 AM	Just wondering.
runestar 11-12-05, 04:20 AM	PAO into an elan? Your int will drop to 10, though..... Or create a custom item that suppresses aging, Yaphyll, the zulkir of divination, has one. :)
Jaid 11-12-05, 01:30 PM	3.5 items? not that i know of. barring somewhat unlikely and/or cheesy things. for example, the Pun Pun trick. or, you could gain a divine rank. i'm sure deities are immortal. and can probably make themselves younger if they so desire. 3.0 stuff, there's an evil spell or two that would do the job. but they are very definitely evil. not evil like animate dead evil, evil like i'm going to suck the life out of you and use it to make myself younger evil.
Azazel 11-12-05, 02:41 PM	3.0 stuff, there's an evil spell or two that would do the job. but they are very definitely evil. not evil like animate dead evil, evil like i'm going to suck the life out of you and use it to make myself younger evil. There is Steal Life (BoVD), i know there is another spell but i just can't remember what it is called.
Wizard 11-12-05, 03:22 PM	3.0 reincarnate let one liive forever, albeit in a different body every time. I think there's an epic feat, Extended Life Span, that prevents you from growing older (rather than your target effect, making on younger). I would generally caution DM's against allowing PC's access to a fountain-of-youth spell, however.
Lyinginbedmon 11-12-05, 07:00 PM	Use Clone when you're young, then commit suicide. The clone is the same age as long as it is kept from decaying, so no matter what, killing yourself when you have a young clone makes you younger, though it does prevent you from gaining any levels if you don't want to lose them.
Milo HoBo 11-12-05, 07:04 PM	Clone and a thought bottle is the answer. You don't lose a level when you use a thought bottle, but the initial cost is around 500 xp (I think). THat is if your DM decides this isn't to much cheese, of course.
smrtgmp 11-12-05, 07:30 PM	I would generally caution DM's against allowing PC's access to a fountain-of-youth spell, however.Why? Who cares if the PCs are immortal? Its not like it has any great effect on game mechanics. I have seen a spell, perhaps in Unapproachable East, that lets you siphon the lifeforce from people around you. I would allow someone to use wishes to slow their aging. In the 2nd edition wizard's handbook, they reccomended that you be able to slow your aging to 1/10th the normal rate with a single wish (so 2 wishes would reduce it to 1/100, 3 to 1/1000, etc). You could also make some living zombies (in one of the new FR books, either champions of ruin or lost empires of faerun). Each one you have deduces your aging by 1/2, or something like that. You can have one per point of int/cha mod. Adding the 1/2's follows real math, not D&D math, so with 5 or so of them you can slow your aging to a crawl.
Jaid 11-12-05, 07:58 PM	I have seen a spell, perhaps in Unapproachable East, that lets you siphon the lifeforce from people around you.i think that spell was from an FR supplement, from what i have heard. no idea what it's called though, 'cause i don't like FR. in any event, the spell i was thinking of was the one from the BoVD.
Wizard 11-12-05, 08:23 PM	Why? Who cares if the PCs are immortal? Its not like it has any great effect on game mechanics. Yes---but I just don't like it from an RP standpoint. Eternal youth is somewhat unnatural, it seems. I know, I know---both the monk and the druid stop aging at a point, but they don't get younger, and they DO die eventually. And besides...wasn't the death of Rosa Parks somewhat of an event? PC's, should they simply...continue...won't really have that. I guess I've got a sort of Dorian Gray attitude about it. I realize that my RP wishes aren't the same as those of other DM's, which is making me wonder why I specifically cautioned others about it above---because as smrtgmp said, it really won't have much of an effect on mechanics, especially at the levels at which such a spell might used. But all the same, it seems to me that classic fantasy requires the PC's to be on the side of nature. I think a no-drawback grow-younger spell would ruin that feel. Note that I might place such a spell in one of my campaigns, just because I like the idea of a villain trying for immortality--but then, he's a villain, and would face some type of drawback.
Kyuketsukiouji 11-12-05, 08:37 PM	I know, I know---but I just don't like it from an RP standpoint. Eternal youth is somewhat unnatural, it seems. I know, I know---both the monk and the druid stop aging at a point, but they don't get younger, and they DO die eventually. And besides...wasn't the death of Rosa Parks somewhat of an event? PC's, should they simply...continue...won't really have that. I guess I've got a sort of Dorian Gray attitude about it. I realize that my RP wishes aren't the same as those of other DM's, which is making me wonder why I specifically cautioned others about it above---because as smrtgmp said, it really won't have much of an effect on mechanics, especially at the levels at which such a spell might used. But all the same, it seems to me that classic fantasy requires the PC's to be on the side of nature. I think a no-drawback grow-younger spell seems like it would ruin that feel. Note that I might place such a spell in one of my campaigns, just because I like the idea of a villain trying for immortality--but then, he's a villain, and would face some type of drawback. That's why Steal Life is a good spell. You have to use it under a full moon, you get life back, but not a lot, and you have to drain someone dry to have it happen. And it's high enough level that you need assistance from some kind of supernatural patronnage unless you're a caster yourself.
smrtgmp 11-12-05, 09:37 PM	But all the same, it seems to me that classic fantasy requires the PC's to be on the side of nature.Then you probably wouldnt care much for the PCs in the game I am currently running. :D The real reason I dont have a problem with it is because I have yet to see a character die of old age. And just because time wont get you doesnt mean you're impervious to death, especially as an adventurer. Apparent immortality is also a staple in fantasy. How many eternal wanderer type characters have their been? Gandalf springs to mind.
runestar 11-12-05, 10:32 PM	There is also a spell in waterdeep called ensul's soultheft that lets you extend your lifespan when you use it to kill a person.
Max the Immortal 11-13-05, 12:36 AM	I don't see any problem with allowing Wish to grant eternal youth (and putting the phrase "I Wish for eternal youth." on the Wish spell's "safe list"). It won't impact the game, mechanic-wise. Some may say that eternal youth poses roleplaying problems; I say it poses roleplaying issues. Just as the PCs must adjust to newfound wealth, fame, and power, eternal youth can have a drastic effect on a character's personality. The church of the setting's death god may consider supernatural eternal youth to be an abomination nearly on par with undeath, and aim to kill anyone trying to escape the natural order of things. Some party members choose eternal youth and others choose mortality and an eventual afterlife; as the latter characters age, they grow to resent the supernatural vigor of their longtime friends. Once-courageous warriors become cowards as the implications of a violent death are redefined for them. A centuries-old archmage dares to confront a god in a bid for power. There are many, many, adventure possiblities than can be mined from eternal youth.
Jaid 11-13-05, 01:35 AM	not to mention inevitables.
cowdragon 11-13-05, 01:41 AM	Changing your type to outsider/elemental will do it too. I think ES could accomplish this. Polymorph any object probably 'technically' could...human adult to human baby anyone? It says the effect is p-ermanent. The Cowdragon :mage:
High Octane 11-13-05, 03:28 AM	Lichdom.
steenan 11-13-05, 08:21 AM	I really don't understand, how can one see something "unnatural" in eternal youth while not objecting raising the dead back to life! And if Inevitables don't come to slay everybody who's Resurrected, they have no reason to cause problems with not aging. It's strange enough to me that by the RAW old age is a powerful, mystical force - it kills more surely than a sword, even if you have ways to keep yourself in perfect health. In D&D they have made healing and life-restoring magic to common and had to somehow prevent the world from becoming full with moderately-high-level, undying mages and clerics. But the way it's done, it's absurd...
Nialo 11-13-05, 05:55 PM	I think the problem is that the game frequently assumes that there's going to be a seemingly infinite quantity of NPCs of every level. If high level characters were rare and extraordinary people there wouldn't be much problem if any 18th level wizard could slow his aging rate to nothing, but the game mechanics assume that every metropolis has resident high level NPCs which would result in a mess if immortality could be achieved through 'just' some 8th or 9th level spells.
Azazel 11-13-05, 06:38 PM	Changing your type to outsider/elemental will do it too. I think ES could accomplish this. When an Elemental Savant reaches 10th level he transcends his mortal form and becomes an elemental creature. Are elemental creature ageless?
Wizard 11-13-05, 07:01 PM	I really don't understand, how can one see something "unnatural" in eternal youth while not objecting raising the dead back to life! And if Inevitables don't come to slay everybody who's Resurrected, they have no reason to cause problems with not aging. As a matter of fact, I'm not a particular fan of raising/resurrection, either. It's strange enough to me that by the RAW old age is a powerful, mystical force - it kills more surely than a sword, even if you have ways to keep yourself in perfect health. In D&D they have made healing and life-restoring magic to common and had to somehow prevent the world from becoming full with moderately-high-level, undying mages and clerics. But the way it's done, it's absurd... Ah, but what force is more powerful and mystical than Time? Apparent immortality is also a staple in fantasy. How many eternal wanderer type characters have their been? Gandalf springs to mind. I agree...but is it a staple for PC's? Gandalf does spring to mind---but then, the story was never described (as it was happening) from Gandalf's point of view. Methinks that were LotR a D&D game, he'd have been an NPC. I find it interesting, by the way, that Bilbo had a form of eternal youth for a time in the story. Finally, all the "eternal wanderer" archetypes I can remember were born/created/whatever that way, almost as if they were Nature's representatives or champions, rather than creatures independent of it. I can't think of one that pulled himself up by his bootstraps. :)
savant_warlord13 11-13-05, 08:26 PM	you can make epic spells do that