Any way for Spell Thief to gain a 0 level spell? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Any way for Spell Thief to gain a 0 level spell? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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arjomanes
06-15-07, 10:11 PM Particularly I'm wondering if spellthief can get access to mage hand to be able to take the arcane trickster prestige class? Or if that doesn't work, can beguiler get it?

This will be a multi-classed spellthief/beguiler using master spellthief from complete scoundrel.

edit: I'm looking for a way to get the spell without multiclassing a level of sorceror or wizard.
runestar
06-15-07, 11:35 PM There is a feat in PGTF which lets you cast cantrips. I think there is another feat in Complete Arcane which lets you cast mage hand as well. Either should let you meet the spellcasting requirements.:)
cwslyclgh
06-16-07, 12:27 AM well the mage hand requirement at least, you still need to be able to cast 3rd level arcane spells as well.
arjomanes
06-16-07, 01:09 AM Excellent. Thanks a lot. I'll look up the complete arcane feat. I'm not sure if I can use Forgotten Realms feats in my game, but I'll look at it too.

Yes, Spell Hand in CAr gives Mage Hand as a spell-like ability once per day. That works fine. Thanks.
Kevin Andrew Murphy
06-16-07, 03:22 AM If you took the Heighten Spell feat, you could conceivably memorize 0 level spells as 1st level spells, thus putting Mage Hand onto the spellthief class list. It could be useful for other effects as well.
arjomanes
06-16-07, 03:24 AM I don't think heighten spell would work, since it's not a spell known to the spellthief. I'm pretty sure you can't heighten a spell you don't have. It would be nice if that worked, but looking at the description it doesn't say it allows me to add spells to my spells known list.

And it always qualifies the spell as being an 'effective' level higher, or 'heightened' level, or 'treated as' a higher level spell. It doesn't say that it actually becomes a higher-level spell. So it would still remain a 0-level spell I think, not a 1st level.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
arjomanes 06-15-07, 10:11 PM	Particularly I'm wondering if spellthief can get access to mage hand to be able to take the arcane trickster prestige class? Or if that doesn't work, can beguiler get it? This will be a multi-classed spellthief/beguiler using master spellthief from complete scoundrel. edit: I'm looking for a way to get the spell without multiclassing a level of sorceror or wizard.
runestar 06-15-07, 11:35 PM	There is a feat in PGTF which lets you cast cantrips. I think there is another feat in Complete Arcane which lets you cast mage hand as well. Either should let you meet the spellcasting requirements.:)
cwslyclgh 06-16-07, 12:27 AM	well the mage hand requirement at least, you still need to be able to cast 3rd level arcane spells as well.
arjomanes 06-16-07, 01:09 AM	Excellent. Thanks a lot. I'll look up the complete arcane feat. I'm not sure if I can use Forgotten Realms feats in my game, but I'll look at it too. Yes, Spell Hand in CAr gives Mage Hand as a spell-like ability once per day. That works fine. Thanks.
Kevin Andrew Murphy 06-16-07, 03:22 AM	If you took the Heighten Spell feat, you could conceivably memorize 0 level spells as 1st level spells, thus putting Mage Hand onto the spellthief class list. It could be useful for other effects as well.
arjomanes 06-16-07, 03:24 AM	I don't think heighten spell would work, since it's not a spell known to the spellthief. I'm pretty sure you can't heighten a spell you don't have. It would be nice if that worked, but looking at the description it doesn't say it allows me to add spells to my spells known list. And it always qualifies the spell as being an 'effective' level higher, or 'heightened' level, or 'treated as' a higher level spell. It doesn't say that it actually becomes a higher-level spell. So it would still remain a 0-level spell I think, not a 1st level.