Arcane Sight Question [Archive] - Wizards Community

Arcane Sight Question [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
Lord Olmac
10-15-06, 10:33 AM Does Arcane Sight work through a Scry?
Heron_Marked_Blade
10-15-06, 12:27 PM Does Arcane Sight work through a Scry?
Arcane Sight is a form of detect magic that does not require concentration checks. I would allow it to have a 5% chance of functioning through Scry, just like detect magic does. You could use it through Greater Scry reliably, though, again just like detect magic. I believe the RAW would support that interpretation as well.
Paxar
10-15-06, 12:42 PM That's a 5% chance per caster level just to clarify.
Lord Olmac
10-15-06, 03:12 PM Arcane Sight is a form of detect magic that does not require concentration checks. I would allow it to have a 5% chance of functioning through Scry, just like detect magic does. You could use it through Greater Scry reliably, though, again just like detect magic. I believe the RAW would support that interpretation as well.
:)
Thats what I thought should happen as well. Thanks for the imput HMB and Paxar.
Heron_Marked_Blade
10-15-06, 06:13 PM That's a 5% chance per caster level just to clarify.
Right, thanks for that. :)
mvincent
10-15-06, 09:35 PM That's a 5% chance per caster level just to clarify.That appears to be incorrect. Scrying says:
" As with all divination (scrying) spells, the sensor has your full visual acuity, including any magical effects."

So magical effects that affect your vision (darkvision, true seeing, arcane sight, etc.) should still be in effect.

From the Rules of the Game (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/rg/20040803a):
"When a scrying spell allows the use of a particular sense, the sensor has at least as much sensory ability as the caster has. If the caster has an ability such as darkvision (whether from a special quality or a spell), the sensor has it, too. Effects that emanate from the caster (such as the detect magic spell) don't extend through the sensor, however. The sensor also acts as a separate sensory organ for the caster, and the spell works as described even when the caster has some impairment such as blindness or deafness; for example, if you're blinded, you can still "see" with a clairaudience/clairvoyance spell. In such cases, the spell's sensory ability is equal to the human norm unless the spell's descriptive text specifies a greater ability."

Detect magic is a "Cone-shaped emanation" whereas Arcane sight is "Range: Personal"

Arcane Sight works through a Scry.
Heron_Marked_Blade
10-16-06, 12:05 AM Detect magic is a "Cone-shaped emanation" whereas Arcane sight is "Range: Personal"
Are you saying that detect magic does not work through scry? That seems to be what the "Rules of the Game" say, but the spell description of scry clearly states "In addition, the following spells have a 5% chance per caster level of operating through the sensor: detect chaos, detect evil, detect good, detect law, detect magic, and message." In this case, the spell description trumps the WotC general article, I think.
mvincent
10-16-06, 12:57 AM Are you saying that detect magic does not work through scry?No. It just does not work automatically, like arcane sight.

That seems to be what the "Rules of the Game" sayI believe it is also saying detect magic just does not work automatically, like arcane sight. I'm fairly certain that Skip Williams could read the spell description.

You were incorrect (nothing wrong with that), but now it seems that you are picking on a strawman.
Heron_Marked_Blade
10-16-06, 07:18 AM You were incorrect (nothing wrong with that), but now it seems that you are picking on a strawman.
No, simply looking for clarification. Don't be so touchy. :)
mvincent
10-16-06, 11:58 AM No, simply looking for clarification. Don't be so touchy. :)Sorry. My bad (I was sick/cranky and had just finished reading a more adversarial post in a different thread, so I misread your intent).

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Lord Olmac 10-15-06, 10:33 AM	Does Arcane Sight work through a Scry?
Heron_Marked_Blade 10-15-06, 12:27 PM	Does Arcane Sight work through a Scry? Arcane Sight is a form of detect magic that does not require concentration checks. I would allow it to have a 5% chance of functioning through Scry, just like detect magic does. You could use it through Greater Scry reliably, though, again just like detect magic. I believe the RAW would support that interpretation as well.
Paxar 10-15-06, 12:42 PM	That's a 5% chance per caster level just to clarify.
Lord Olmac 10-15-06, 03:12 PM	Arcane Sight is a form of detect magic that does not require concentration checks. I would allow it to have a 5% chance of functioning through Scry, just like detect magic does. You could use it through Greater Scry reliably, though, again just like detect magic. I believe the RAW would support that interpretation as well. :) Thats what I thought should happen as well. Thanks for the imput HMB and Paxar.
Heron_Marked_Blade 10-15-06, 06:13 PM	That's a 5% chance per caster level just to clarify. Right, thanks for that. :)
mvincent 10-15-06, 09:35 PM	That's a 5% chance per caster level just to clarify.That appears to be incorrect. Scrying says: " As with all divination (scrying) spells, the sensor has your full visual acuity, including any magical effects." So magical effects that affect your vision (darkvision, true seeing, arcane sight, etc.) should still be in effect. From the Rules of the Game (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/rg/20040803a): "When a scrying spell allows the use of a particular sense, the sensor has at least as much sensory ability as the caster has. If the caster has an ability such as darkvision (whether from a special quality or a spell), the sensor has it, too. Effects that emanate from the caster (such as the detect magic spell) don't extend through the sensor, however. The sensor also acts as a separate sensory organ for the caster, and the spell works as described even when the caster has some impairment such as blindness or deafness; for example, if you're blinded, you can still "see" with a clairaudience/clairvoyance spell. In such cases, the spell's sensory ability is equal to the human norm unless the spell's descriptive text specifies a greater ability." Detect magic is a "Cone-shaped emanation" whereas Arcane sight is "Range: Personal" Arcane Sight works through a Scry.
Heron_Marked_Blade 10-16-06, 12:05 AM	Detect magic is a "Cone-shaped emanation" whereas Arcane sight is "Range: Personal" Are you saying that detect magic does not work through scry? That seems to be what the "Rules of the Game" say, but the spell description of scry clearly states "In addition, the following spells have a 5% chance per caster level of operating through the sensor: detect chaos, detect evil, detect good, detect law, detect magic, and message." In this case, the spell description trumps the WotC general article, I think.
mvincent 10-16-06, 12:57 AM	Are you saying that detect magic does not work through scry?No. It just does not work automatically, like arcane sight. That seems to be what the "Rules of the Game" sayI believe it is also saying detect magic just does not work automatically, like arcane sight. I'm fairly certain that Skip Williams could read the spell description. You were incorrect (nothing wrong with that), but now it seems that you are picking on a strawman.
Heron_Marked_Blade 10-16-06, 07:18 AM	You were incorrect (nothing wrong with that), but now it seems that you are picking on a strawman. No, simply looking for clarification. Don't be so touchy. :)
mvincent 10-16-06, 11:58 AM	No, simply looking for clarification. Don't be so touchy. :)Sorry. My bad (I was sick/cranky and had just finished reading a more adversarial post in a different thread, so I misread your intent).