Archivist Casting Identify [Archive] - Wizards Community

Archivist Casting Identify [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
TheCheshireCat
09-21-07, 08:09 AM Do they still use the material component or is their holy symbol focus used in lieu of it?
Starmage21
09-21-07, 08:31 AM they still need to provide expensive material components(more than 1 gp).
JulesCARV
09-21-07, 08:35 AM To confuse you with just the opposite of what Starmage21 said, all they need is a divine focus -- no need for the 100 gp pearl, which is the arcane material component.
Fabius Maximus
09-21-07, 09:10 AM I'd agree with Starmage. Costly components are usually exempt from the same spell//different casting mechanic/different power source rule.
Merestil Haye
09-21-07, 09:28 AM The answer is that the Archivist does not need to provide the material component, any more than a cleric with the Magic domain would.

The actual rule.Divine Focus (DF)
A divine focus component is an item of spiritual significance. The divine focus for a cleric or a paladin is a holy symbol appropriate to the character’s faith.

If the Components line includes F/DF or M/DF, the arcane version of the spell has a focus component or a material component (the abbreviation before the slash) and the divine version has a divine focus component (the abbreviation after the slash).Thus the question to be asked is does the spell in question specify a material component for the spell or a material component for the spell as an arcane spell and a divine focus for the same spell as a divine spell?

The SRD (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/identify.htm) shows that it is the latter. When cast as a divine spell, the material component is not needed.
tarkin
09-21-07, 11:08 AM Merestil Haye is correct.

Divine caster never have to use a Material component if the spell says M/DF.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
TheCheshireCat 09-21-07, 08:09 AM	Do they still use the material component or is their holy symbol focus used in lieu of it?
Starmage21 09-21-07, 08:31 AM	they still need to provide expensive material components(more than 1 gp).
JulesCARV 09-21-07, 08:35 AM	To confuse you with just the opposite of what Starmage21 said, all they need is a divine focus -- no need for the 100 gp pearl, which is the arcane material component.
Fabius Maximus 09-21-07, 09:10 AM	I'd agree with Starmage. Costly components are usually exempt from the same spell//different casting mechanic/different power source rule.
Merestil Haye 09-21-07, 09:28 AM	The answer is that the Archivist does not need to provide the material component, any more than a cleric with the Magic domain would. The actual rule.Divine Focus (DF) A divine focus component is an item of spiritual significance. The divine focus for a cleric or a paladin is a holy symbol appropriate to the character’s faith. If the Components line includes F/DF or M/DF, the arcane version of the spell has a focus component or a material component (the abbreviation before the slash) and the divine version has a divine focus component (the abbreviation after the slash).Thus the question to be asked is does the spell in question specify a material component for the spell or a material component for the spell as an arcane spell and a divine focus for the same spell as a divine spell? The SRD (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/identify.htm) shows that it is the latter. When cast as a divine spell, the material component is not needed.
tarkin 09-21-07, 11:08 AM	Merestil Haye is correct. Divine caster never have to use a Material component if the spell says M/DF.