Are Summoned Creatures Affected by Inspire Courage? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Are Summoned Creatures Affected by Inspire Courage? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Skibybadoowap
02-16-07, 10:27 AM Are Summoned Creatures Affected by Inspire Courage? Would Inspire Courage affect the Badger if within range to hear the song?

Inspire Courage
Allies that can hear the bard gain +1 morale bonus to saving throws against charm and fear effects, and a +1 morale bonus to all attack and weapon damage rolls. This effect is a supernatural, mind-affecting ability.

Celestial Badger
Small Magical Beast (Extraplanar)
Str 8, Dex 17, Con 15, Int 3, Wis 12, Cha 6

I appreciate any comments to this question.
CantripN
02-16-07, 10:48 AM Why wouldn't it? It's not an enemy, and it certainly isn't neutral. It's an ally.
Skibybadoowap
02-16-07, 10:56 AM Would any ally with an int of 1 or higher benefit from inspire courage then?
Zherog
02-16-07, 10:58 AM Any ally not immune to mind-affecting abilities, yes. For example, if your party has a necromancer who has animated skeletons or zombies, they wouldn't be affected.
Skibybadoowap
02-16-07, 11:06 AM I appreciate the help.
runestar
02-16-07, 11:06 AM It has a mind, right?:P
CaoSlayer
02-16-07, 11:43 AM You dont need inteligence for enjoy music, look at britney spears´s fans.
CantripN
02-16-07, 12:03 PM Caoslayer, butchering english language since 6/9/2001
I concur.

Not that I really mind... I make my share of mistakes, and then some.
CaoSlayer
02-16-07, 01:24 PM Try to learn spanish from reading in spanish internet forums and you will know how much sucks to write in another language.
:-P
CantripN
02-16-07, 01:28 PM Try to learn spanish from reading in spanish internet forums and you will know how much sucks to write in another language.
:-P

I don't blame you, I'm just QFTing you...
If you'd actually learned English this way, then I tip my hat to you... :tiphat:
fool_onthe_hill
07-18-07, 12:04 PM (i just need to play devil's advocate for a moment here)

are summoned creatures actually allies? these creatures are summoned from their homes and forced to fight. they are bound to the will of a summoner who doesn't care if they live or die. it's simply the laws of the summoning that prevent them from attacking the summoner or his allies.

also, though they are manifest, they are the product of a magical effect. would damage from a fireball increase from Inspire Courage? if the answer to that is no (i'm honestly not sure what the answer to that is), then the answer to the question "Are Summoned Creatures Affected by Inspire Courage?" should also be no.
ArcTan
07-18-07, 02:13 PM (i just need to play devil's advocate for a moment here)

Why do people always feel the need to play devil's advocate?

are summoned creatures actually allies? these creatures are summoned from their homes and forced to fight. they are bound to the will of a summoner who doesn't care if they live or die. it's simply the laws of the summoning that prevent them from attacking the summoner or his allies.

They're creatures who are fighting on your side for the duration of this battle. That's all that matters for the definition of "allies". Someone whom I'm paying through the nose to fight for me as a mercenary (who, personally, doesn't like me at all) is an "ally". Someone I'm *forcing* to fight for me by use of a charm or dominate spell, or forcing to fight for me because I've kidnapped her baby son and will kill him if she doesn't, is still an "ally".

The rules of magic don't do any kind of complicated check to see how someone really feels about you, deep down inside their heart. That would be dumb, and impossible to adjudicate. An ally is measured by the same way you'd measure allies in D&D Miniatures -- who's fighting on whose side right now.

(Also, of course, the alignment-based nature of summoning throws a bit of a wrench in this system -- presumably Good-aligned summons really do want to help Good-aligned summoners, or at least aren't actively opposed to the idea.)

FWIW, the word "ally" purposely has a much more neutral meaning than the word "friend". You don't have to be friends to be allies. Alliances can be made under duress or through deception.

also, though they are manifest, they are the product of a magical effect. would damage from a fireball increase from Inspire Courage? if the answer to that is no (i'm honestly not sure what the answer to that is), then the answer to the question "Are Summoned Creatures Affected by Inspire Courage?" should also be no.

Inspire Courage affects damage done by creatures. Summoned creatures are creatures. It doesn't matter where they come from.
Sildatorak
07-18-07, 02:19 PM You dont need inteligence for enjoy music, look at britney spears´s fans.
Since when does Britney Spears make music?

Also, you get English bonus points in my book for this one. You may have used "for" instead of "to," but you got the apostrophe right in "Spears's."

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Skibybadoowap 02-16-07, 10:27 AM	Are Summoned Creatures Affected by Inspire Courage? Would Inspire Courage affect the Badger if within range to hear the song? Inspire Courage Allies that can hear the bard gain +1 morale bonus to saving throws against charm and fear effects, and a +1 morale bonus to all attack and weapon damage rolls. This effect is a supernatural, mind-affecting ability. Celestial Badger Small Magical Beast (Extraplanar) Str 8, Dex 17, Con 15, Int 3, Wis 12, Cha 6 I appreciate any comments to this question.
CantripN 02-16-07, 10:48 AM	Why wouldn't it? It's not an enemy, and it certainly isn't neutral. It's an ally.
Skibybadoowap 02-16-07, 10:56 AM	Would any ally with an int of 1 or higher benefit from inspire courage then?
Zherog 02-16-07, 10:58 AM	Any ally not immune to mind-affecting abilities, yes. For example, if your party has a necromancer who has animated skeletons or zombies, they wouldn't be affected.
Skibybadoowap 02-16-07, 11:06 AM	I appreciate the help.
runestar 02-16-07, 11:06 AM	It has a mind, right?:P
CaoSlayer 02-16-07, 11:43 AM	You dont need inteligence for enjoy music, look at britney spears´s fans.
CantripN 02-16-07, 12:03 PM	Caoslayer, butchering english language since 6/9/2001 I concur. Not that I really mind... I make my share of mistakes, and then some.
CaoSlayer 02-16-07, 01:24 PM	Try to learn spanish from reading in spanish internet forums and you will know how much sucks to write in another language. :-P
CantripN 02-16-07, 01:28 PM	Try to learn spanish from reading in spanish internet forums and you will know how much sucks to write in another language. :-P I don't blame you, I'm just QFTing you... If you'd actually learned English this way, then I tip my hat to you... :tiphat:
fool_onthe_hill 07-18-07, 12:04 PM	(i just need to play devil's advocate for a moment here) are summoned creatures actually allies? these creatures are summoned from their homes and forced to fight. they are bound to the will of a summoner who doesn't care if they live or die. it's simply the laws of the summoning that prevent them from attacking the summoner or his allies. also, though they are manifest, they are the product of a magical effect. would damage from a fireball increase from Inspire Courage? if the answer to that is no (i'm honestly not sure what the answer to that is), then the answer to the question "Are Summoned Creatures Affected by Inspire Courage?" should also be no.
ArcTan 07-18-07, 02:13 PM	(i just need to play devil's advocate for a moment here) Why do people always feel the need to play devil's advocate? are summoned creatures actually allies? these creatures are summoned from their homes and forced to fight. they are bound to the will of a summoner who doesn't care if they live or die. it's simply the laws of the summoning that prevent them from attacking the summoner or his allies. They're creatures who are fighting on your side for the duration of this battle. That's all that matters for the definition of "allies". Someone whom I'm paying through the nose to fight for me as a mercenary (who, personally, doesn't like me at all) is an "ally". Someone I'm forcing to fight for me by use of a charm or dominate spell, or forcing to fight for me because I've kidnapped her baby son and will kill him if she doesn't, is still an "ally". The rules of magic don't do any kind of complicated check to see how someone really feels about you, deep down inside their heart. That would be dumb, and impossible to adjudicate. An ally is measured by the same way you'd measure allies in D&D Miniatures -- who's fighting on whose side right now. (Also, of course, the alignment-based nature of summoning throws a bit of a wrench in this system -- presumably Good-aligned summons really do want to help Good-aligned summoners, or at least aren't actively opposed to the idea.) FWIW, the word "ally" purposely has a much more neutral meaning than the word "friend". You don't have to be friends to be allies. Alliances can be made under duress or through deception. also, though they are manifest, they are the product of a magical effect. would damage from a fireball increase from Inspire Courage? if the answer to that is no (i'm honestly not sure what the answer to that is), then the answer to the question "Are Summoned Creatures Affected by Inspire Courage?" should also be no. Inspire Courage affects damage done by creatures. Summoned creatures are creatures. It doesn't matter where they come from.
Sildatorak 07-18-07, 02:19 PM	You dont need inteligence for enjoy music, look at britney spears´s fans. Since when does Britney Spears make music? Also, you get English bonus points in my book for this one. You may have used "for" instead of "to," but you got the apostrophe right in "Spears's."