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| Farrell03-08-07, 12:52 PM | I raised this question, because last night, I played a 9wiz/6 Initiate of Sevenfold veil to fight against another spell caster who can use divine spells. In the first round, he casted Spell Resistance to raise his SR to 28, and I failed to dispel his spell. In the second round, I tried again to dispel his SR spell, but I failed again. Then I felt like I couldn't do anything to him. I just want to know, as a wizard, are there some good spells I can rely on when I come across an enemy with high SR? I know orb of fire, cold, force......But in front of a divine spell caster, I don't think these spells are very effective, since he can use Heal or Cure to heal himself if I could not get him in my turn. Is there any spell which denies SR but can kill a creature instantanously? Thanks! |
| malignor03-08-07, 01:13 PM | Kill instantly? I highly doubt it. But there's always - summon things from beyond to eat him and his little dog, too. - self-buff into a supergoon and stomp him. - control the battlefield so he's useless. - escape, scry on him and kill him in his sleep, like a real man. |
| tarkin03-08-07, 01:19 PM | Tactics include: 1. Buffing yourself 2. Getting a cleric to cast Silence on him/someone grappling him 3. Summoning other creatures to help you fight him. I specifically include Using the spell Black Tentacles, even though they are not quite creatures. 4. Using spells like Acid Arrow/Orbs of X/CloudKill/Earthquake on him. Note the Acid Arrow trick makes casting harder as you need to beat a con check. 5. Using Dispell on him, or similar type spell (Anti-Magic) 6. Using a spell that lowers SR 7. Using a spell like ForceCage to imprison him. |
| CantripN03-08-07, 01:35 PM | Get Assay Spell Resistance and laught at his SR 28... You'd need a 3 to pass his SR. Failing that, I'm always in favor of Teleport. |
| Farrell03-08-07, 01:55 PM | Assay Resistance is a good option. I think I can use the following strategy: in the first round, I use the rod of metamagic quicken to cast Assay Resistance, then I could cast a Crasping Hand to hold him. If it worked, in the following rounds I could cast Enervation or Touch of Idiocy to lower his ability of casting spells. Then if that worked, I could get him! What do you guys think of this strategy? By the way, I personally prefer touch spells or ray spells, since they don't depend on DC. I just feel that it's much easier to raise your SVs than the DC of your spells...... |
| Magetastic03-08-07, 01:55 PM | Assay resistance is good (always keep one prepared for long battles) but i prefer using true casting with the craft contingent spell feat. So i create contingent true castings triggered for when i say "twabadonk", "slagmorty" or some other non-sense word and sense speaking is a free action i get to keep my swift action to dish out the quickened pain. BTW contingent true castings cost 50 gold a pop and take 0 days to make and it stacks with assay resistance (as assay resistance is an unnamed bonus and true casting is an insight) |
| Seeker9503-08-07, 02:09 PM | Use spells that do not allow spell resistance. Abyssal Army Acid Arrow Acid Fog Acid Rain (M) Acid Splash Acid Storm (M) Aerial Alarm Aiming Line Airy Water Alarm Greater Alarm (F) Alert Bebilith (M) Alustriel's Banner (M) Analyze Dweomer (F) Analyze Portal Analyze Touchstone Animate Dead (M) Animate Dead Familiar (XP) Animate Dread Warrior (XP) Animate Legion (M) Animate Objects Animate Rope Anticipate Teleportation (F) Greater Anticipate Teleportation (F) Antifire Sphere Arc of Lightning Arcana Form Arcane Eye Arcane Lock (M) Improved Arcane Lock (M) Arcane Mark Arcane Seal Arctic Haze Arms of Plenty Ashstar Attune Form Aura of Evasion (M) Balor Nimbus Bands of Steel Benign Transposition Bind Item Black Bag Black Tentacles Blacklight Blackwater Tentacle Blade of Blood Blades of Fire Blast of Flame Blast of Sand Blinding Glory Blockade Boiling Oil Bolt of Conjuring Bone Chill Break Enchantment Bristle Burning Sword Buzzing Bee Call Dretch Horde Call Kolyarut (XP) Call Lemure Horde Call Marut (XP) Call Nightmare Call Zelekhut (XP) Caltrops Candlelight Catapult Celestial Brilliance Chalkboard Changestones (F) Cheat (F) Clairaudience/Clairvoyance Clearstone Cloak Pool Clone (M) (F) Clothier's Closet Cloud of Bewilderment Cloudkill Column of Ice Conditional Spell Conjure Greater Midnight Construct (M) Conjure Lesser Midnight Construct (M) Conjure Midnight Construct (M) Conjurer's Toolbelt Continual Flame (M) Control Darkness and Shadow Control Temperature Control Water Control Weather Corpse Candle Create Fetch Create Greater Undead (M) Create Trap Create Undead (M) Damning Darkness Dancing Chains Dancing Lights Darkliqht Darkness Daylight Death Grimace Death Throes Desert Burial Detect Aberration Detect Dragonmark Detect Magic Detect Poison Detect Scrying Detect Secret Doors Detect Ship (F) Detect Thoughts Detect Undead Devlin's Barb Devlin's Venomblade Dimension Door Dimension Door, Greater Dimension Leap Disarm Discern Location Discolor Pool Disguise Ship Disguise Undead Dispel Magic Greater Dispel Magic Dispel Ward Dispelling Screen Greater Dispelling Screen Distort Summons Distracting Ray Distracting Shadows Dolorous Blow Dragon Ally (XP) Greater Dragon Ally (XP) Lesser Dragon Ally (XP) Dust Storm Early Twilight Earth Lock (M) Ectoplasmic Armor Ectoplasmic Enhancement Elemental Shroud Emerald Planes Enchanting Flavor Enhance Magical Flow (M) Greater Enhance Magical Flow (M) Erase Ethereal Mount Evacuation Rune Exaction Excavate Expeditious Excavation (M) (F) Eye of Power Fabricate (M) False Vision (M) Familiar Pocket Favorable Wind Fey Ring (XP) Fierce Pride of the Beastlands Fimbulwinter (XP) Flame Arrow Flaywind Burst Floating Disk Greater Floating Disk Fog Cloud Foil Tracer Force Chest Force Ladder (F) Forcecage (M) Foresight Freezing Fog Frost Weapon Fuse Sand Gaseous Form Gate (XP) Gemjump (F) Ghost Sound Ghostly Reload Giant's Wrath Glacial Globe of Invulnerability Glacial Ward Greater Glacial Ward (M) Glaze Lock Glitterdust Globe of Invulnerability Lesser Globe of Invulnerability Glowing Orb (F) Grasping Wall Grease Great Thunderclap Groundsmoke Haboob Hallucinatory Terrain Heavenly Host Hellish Horde Hidden Lodge Hidden Object Hidden Ward Hindsight (M) Hiss of Sleep Hold Portal Horrible Taste Hurl Ice Assassin (M) (XP) Ice Castle (F) Ice Darts Ice Rift Ice Shape Ice Web (M) Identify (M) Illusory Pit Illusory Wall Imbrue Imbue Guardian Implore (XP) Incendiary Cloud Incorporeal Enhancement Infernal Wound Inky Cloud Instant Summons (M) Superior Invisibility Invoke the Cerulean Sign Knock Laogzed's Breath Launch Bolt Launch Item Leomund's Billet Leomund's Tiny Igloo Levitate Light Llenol's Hasty Spell Scriber (M) (F) Local Tremor Locate Creature Locate Node (F) Locate Object Locate Touchstone Locate Water Lower Spell Resistance Luminous Gaze Mage Armor Mass Mage Armor Mage Hand Mage's Disjunction Mage's Faithful Hound Mage's Magnificent Mansion (F) Mage's Private Sanctum Magic Aura Magic Circle against Chaos Magic Circle against Evil Magic Circle against Good Magic Circle against Law Magic Miasma Magnetic Pulse Major Creation Major Image Mantle of Egregious Might (F) Mental Alarm Message Mighty Wallop Greater Mighty Wallop Mineralize Warrior (M) (XP) Minimus Containment (F) Minor Creation Minor Image Mirage Arcana Misdirection Miser's Envy Mislead Mordenkainen's Capable Caravel (F) Mount Mountain Stance Move Earth Move Snow and Ice Mudslide Nauseating Breath Necrotic Awareness (F) Necrotic Bloat (F) Necrotic Burst (F) Necrotic Eruption (F) Necrotic Scrying (F) Necrotic Termination (F) (XP) Necrotic Tumor (F) Nether Trail Nezram's Amethyst Aura No Light Node Door Node Genesis (XP) Node Lock Obscuring Mist Obscuring Snow Orb of Acid Greater Orb of Acid Lesser Orb of Acid Orb of Cold Lesser Orb of Cold Orb of Electricity Lesser Orb of Electricity Orb of Fire Lesser Orb of Fire Orb of Force Orb of Negative Energy Orb of Sound Lesser Orb of Sound Orbs of Various Energy Passwall Perfect Summons Perinarch Planar Perinarch Permanency (XP) Permanent Image (M) Permanent Soul Binding (M) (XP) Persistent Image Phantasmal Thief Phantom Foe (F) Phantom Guardians Phantom Steed Mass Phantom Steed Phantom Trap (M) Phase Door Plague of Undead (M) Planar Binding Greater Planar Binding Lesser Planar Binding Planar Bubble Polymorph Portal Alarm Improved Portal Alarm Portal Beacon Portal View Portal Well Precise Vision Prestidigitation Programmed Image (M) Project Image (M) Protection from Chaos Protection from Evil Protection from Good Protection from Law Prying Eyes Greater Prying Eyes Pyrotechnics Raging Flame Raise Hummock (M) Ray Deflection Reaving Dispel Reciprocal Gyre Refuge (M) Regal Procession Rend Shadow Weave Repair Critical Damage Repair Light Damage Repair Minor Damage Repair Moderate Damage Repair Serious Damage Returning Weapon Reverse Gravity Rockburst Rope Trick Rouse Ruby Ray of Reversal (M) Sand Spiral Scalding Mud Scatterspray Scorpion Tail Scramble Portal Screen Scry Location Seal Portal (M) Secret Chest (F) Secret Page Secure Shelter Seeming Sending Sepia Snake Sigil (M) Sequester Serpent Arrow Servant Horde Shadow Cache Shadow Guardians Shieldbearer Sign of Sealing (M) Greater Sign of Sealing (M) Silent Image Silvered Weapon Simulacrum (M) (XP) Siphon Skeletal Guard (M) Skull Snare Skull Watch (F) Skyrift (M) (F) (XP) Sleet Storm Slipping the Ranks Slow Burn Snowdrift Solid Fog Sonic Weapon Soul Bind (F) Speak To Allies Speaking Stones Spectral Hand Spell Snare Greater Spell Snare Spell Theft Spell Vulnerability Spiritwall Spontaneous Search Spymaster's Coin Static Veil Steeldance Sticks And Stones Sticky Floor Stinking Cloud Stone Metamorphosis Greater Stone Metamorphosis Stone Shape Greater Stone Shape Stonemantle Stormrunner's Ward Stormwalk Submerge Ship Summon Aspect Of Bahamut Summon Elemental Monolith (M) Summon Monster I Summon Monster II Summon Monster III Summon Monster IV Summon Monster IX Summon Monster V Summon Monster VI Summon Monster VII Summon Monster VIII Summon Swarm Summon Undead I Summon Undead II Summon Undead III Summon Undead IV Summon Undead V Suppress Dragonmark Suppress Flame (M) Surefooted Stride (M) Mass Surefooted Stride (M) Suspended Silence (M) Symbol Of Spell Loss Targeting Ray Telepathic Bond Interplanar Telepathic Bond Lesser Telepathic Bond Telepathy Block Teleport Teleport Block (M) Teleport Coordinates Transfer Teleport Tracer Greater Teleport Mass Teleport Temporary Soul Binding Bimonthly Temporary Soul Binding (M) (XP) Daily Temporary Soul Binding Eventful Temporary Soul Binding Minor Temporary Soul Binding Moderate Temporary Soul Binding Monthly Temporary Soul Binding (M) Semimonthly Temporary Soul Binding (M) Semiweekly Temporary Soul Binding (M) Thief Ward Thin Air Tiny Hut Tongue of Angels Tongue of Fiends Tongues Transcribe Symbol Transfusion Transmute Mud to Rock Transmute Rock to Lava Transmute Rock to Mud Transmute Sand to Glass Transmute Sand to Stone Transmute Stone to Sand Tunnel Swallow Turbidity Unbinding Undaunted Fixture Undead Couduit Understand Object Undulant Innards Unseen Crafter Unseen Servant Mass Unseen Servant Utterdark Vanishing Weapon Ventriloquism Visage of the Dead Vitrify Vitriolic Sphere Volcanic Storm (M) Wall of Chains Wall of Coldfire (M) Wall of Deadly Chains Wall of Dispel Magic Wall of Eyes Wall of Force Wall of Gears Wall of Greater Dispel Magic Wall of Iron (M) Wall of Ooze Wall of Salt Wall of Sand Wall of Sand 2 Wall of Smoke Wall of Stone Wall of Water Watchware Water to Acid Web Whirling Blade (F) Whispering Sand Whispering Wind Wings of Air Greater Wings of Air Yoke of Mercy Zone of Glacial Cold Zone of Respite Zone of Speed Abyssal Army Acid Arrow Acid Fog Acid Rain (M) Acid Splash Aerial Alarm Airy Water Alarm Greater Alarm (F) Alert Bebilith (M) Analyze Dweomer (F) Animate Dead (M) Animate Dead Familiar (XP) Animate Dread Warrior (XP) Animate Legion (M) Animate Objects Animate Rope Anticipate Teleportation (F) Greater Anticipate Teleportation (F) Arcana Form Arcane Eye Arcane Lock (M) Improved Arcane Lock (M) Arcane Mark Arcane Seal Arms of Plenty Attune Form Aura of Evasion (M) Balor Nimbus Benign Transposition Bind Item Black Bag Black Tentacles Blacklight Blade of Blood Blades of Fire Blinding Glory Bolt of Conjuring Bristle Burning Sword Buzzing Bee Call Dretch Horde Call Kolyarut (XP) Call Lemure Horde Call Marut (XP) Call Nightmare Call Zelekhut (XP) Caltrops Candlelight Celestial Brilliance Changestones (F) Clairaudience/Clairvoyance Clearstone Clone (M) (F) Clothier's Closet Conditional Spell Conjure Greater Midnight Construct (M) Conjure Lesser Midnight Construct (M) Conjure Midnight Construct (M) Conjurer's Toolbelt Continual Flame (M) Control Darkness and Shadow Control Temperature Control Water Control Weather Corpse Candle Create Fetch Create Greater Undead (M) Create Trap Create Undead (M) Damning Darkness Dancing Chains Dancing Lights Darkliqht Darkness Daylight Death Grimace Death Throes Detect Aberration Detect Dragonmark Detect Magic Detect Poison Detect Scrying Detect Secret Doors Detect Ship (F) Detect Undead Devlin's Barb Devlin's Venomblade Dimension Door Dimension Door, Greater Dimension Leap Disarm Discern Location Disguise Undead Dispel Magic Greater Dispel Magic Dispel Ward Dispelling Screen Greater Dispelling Screen Distort Summons Distracting Ray Distracting Shadows Dolorous Blow Dragon Ally (XP) Greater Dragon Ally (XP) Lesser Dragon Ally (XP) Dust Storm Early Twilight Earth Lock (M) Ectoplasmic Enhancement Elemental Shroud Emerald Planes Enchanting Flavor Enhance Magical Flow (M) Greater Enhance Magical Flow (M) Ethereal Mount Evacuation Rune Exaction Excavate Expeditious Excavation (M) (F) Eye of Power Fabricate (M) False Vision (M) Familiar Pocket Fierce Pride of the Beastlands Fimbulwinter (XP) Flame Arrow Floating Disk Greater Floating Disk Fog Cloud Foil Tracer Force Chest Force Ladder (F) Forcecage (M) Foresight Gaseous Form Gate (XP) Gemjump (F) Ghostly Reload Giant's Wrath Glacial Globe of Invulnerability Glacial Ward Greater Glacial Ward (M) Glaze Lock Globe of Invulnerability Lesser Globe of Invulnerability Glowing Orb (F) Groundsmoke Haboob Heavenly Host Hellish Horde Hidden Lodge Hidden Object Hidden Ward Hindsight (M) Hold Portal Hurl Ice Assassin (M) (XP) Ice Castle (F) Ice Darts Ice Shape Identify (M) Imbrue Imbue Guardian Incorporeal Enhancement Infernal Wound Inky Cloud Instant Summons (M) Knock Launch Bolt Launch Item Leomund's Billet Leomund's Tiny Igloo Levitate Light Locate Creature Locate Node (F) Locate Object Locate Touchstone Locate Water Mage Hand Mage's Faithful Hound Mage's Magnificent Mansion (F) Mage's Private Sanctum Magic Aura Major Creation Mantle of Egregious Might (F) Mental Alarm Message Mighty Wallop Greater Mighty Wallop Mineralize Warrior (M) (XP) Minimus Containment (F) Minor Creation Misdirection Miser's Envy Mislead Mordenkainen's Capable Caravel (F) Mount Move Earth Move Snow and Ice Necrotic Awareness (F) Necrotic Bloat (F) Necrotic Scrying (F) Nezram's Amethyst Aura No Light Node Door Node Genesis (XP) Node Lock Obscuring Mist Obscuring Snow Lesser Orb of Acid Lesser Orb of Cold Lesser Orb of Electricity Lesser Orb of Fire Orb of Force Orb of Negative Energy Lesser Orb of Sound Orbs of Various Energy Passwall Perfect Summons Perinarch Planar Perinarch Permanency (XP) Phantasmal Thief Phantom Steed Mass Phantom Steed Phantom Trap (M) Phase Door Plague of Undead (M) Polymorph Portal Alarm Improved Portal Alarm Portal Beacon Portal View Portal Well Precise Vision Prying Eyes Greater Prying Eyes Raging Flame Raise Hummock (M) Ray Deflection Refuge (M) Regal Procession Rend Shadow Weave Repair Critical Damage Repair Light Damage Repair Minor Damage Repair Moderate Damage Repair Serious Damage Returning Weapon Reverse Gravity Rope Trick Rouse Ruby Ray of Reversal (M) Scatterspray Scramble Portal Screen Seal Portal (M) Secret Chest (F) Secret Page Secure Shelter Sending Sequester Serpent Arrow Servant Horde Shadow Cache Shieldbearer Silvered Weapon Simulacrum (M) (XP) Siphon Skeletal Guard (M) Skull Snare Skull Watch (F) Skyrift (M) (F) (XP) Sleet Storm Slipping the Ranks Slow Burn Snowdrift Solid Fog Sonic Weapon Speak To Allies Speaking Stones Spectral Hand Spell Snare Greater Spell Snare Spell Theft Spiritwall Spontaneous Search Spymaster's Coin Static Veil Steeldance Sticks And Stones Stone Metamorphosis Greater Stone Metamorphosis Stone Shape Greater Stone Shape Stormrunner's Ward Stormwalk Submerge Ship Summon Aspect Of Bahamut Summon Elemental Monolith (M) Summon Monster I Summon Monster II Summon Monster III Summon Monster IV Summon Monster IX Summon Monster V Summon Monster VI Summon Monster VII Summon Monster VIII Summon Swarm Summon Undead I Summon Undead II Summon Undead III Summon Undead IV Summon Undead V Suppress Flame (M) Surefooted Stride (M) Mass Surefooted Stride (M) Suspended Silence (M) Targeting Ray Telepathic Bond Interplanar Telepathic Bond Lesser Telepathic Bond Telepathy Block Teleport Teleport Block (M) Teleport Coordinates Transfer Teleport Tracer Greater Teleport Mass Teleport Thief Ward Tiny Hut Tongue of Angels Tongue of Fiends Transcribe Symbol Transfusion Turbidity Unbinding Undaunted Fixture Undead Couduit Understand Object Undulant Innards Unseen Crafter Unseen Servant Mass Unseen Servant Utterdark Vanishing Weapon Visage of the Dead Wall of Chains Wall of Coldfire (M) Wall of Dispel Magic Wall of Force Wall of Greater Dispel Magic Wall of Sand Wall of Water Watchware Water to Acid Whirling Blade (F) Whispering Sand Whispering Wind Wings of Air Greater Wings of Air Zone of Respite Zone of Speed |
| Magetastic03-08-07, 02:15 PM | Having fun with spell filters seeker?:P |
| Thiez03-08-07, 02:40 PM | Too bad half of those spells are harmless, like animate rope and arcane eye :P |
| TygerTyger03-08-07, 03:12 PM | Seeker, where do you find these marvelous lists so quickly!?? I assume there is a function somewhere, could you point me to it? |
| CantripN03-08-07, 03:14 PM | Coolest part about Assay Spell Resistance: It's a Swift Action spell! And unlike True Casting, it lasts 1 round/level, not a single spell. |
| Seeker9503-08-07, 04:35 PM | My secret is IMarvinTPA.com Andy has put together the absolute best spell filter index. |
| Farrell03-08-07, 05:49 PM | Thank you guys all, especially seeker, your secret website helps a lot!!!:) |
| Moribund03-08-07, 06:01 PM | Cast acid rain from Heroes of Battle. It's a good No Save, no SR spell. It may not do great damage but it does impede them and forces Concentration checks. Follow that up with transmute mud to rock and then caustic smoke. Move around and cast other no SR area spells (like bright worms) at where he is currently stuck, or take your time using true casting and readying an attack spell for when he starts casting. Laugh as he dies a slow painful death. You might summon some acid resistant creatures (preferably with Blind Fight or blindsight) to keep him company. |
| FntsyWlkr03-08-07, 07:00 PM | Tactics include: 4. Using spells like Acid Arrow/Orbs of X/CloudKill/Earthquake on him. Note the Acid Arrow trick makes casting harder as you need to beat a con check. REEEEEally? ... (rubs hands together) ... excellent. |
| Thiez03-08-07, 07:03 PM | Not really. Any smart spellcaster will have a high concentration. This guy has CL 16. And he's a divine caster level (that means he's unlikely to have a low con). And maybe a +5 concentration item, those only cost 2,5k anyway. |
| Farrell03-08-07, 08:07 PM | I still think Grasping Hand is a good choice, since if he is held by the magical hand, the spells he can use are really limited. |
| Illithid_Tentacles03-08-07, 11:31 PM | Summon stuff. Have them attack him physically. If he takes damage, he'll have to make a concentration check to successfully cast. Also, for summons, SR is a non-issue, unless they use spells or spell-like abilities. |
| Hendel03-09-07, 12:38 AM | All good suggestions! I have taken the DM down a peg or two with a swift Assay Spell Resistance, followed by a Spell Vulnerability (He gets a Fort save) on the big SR bad guy. For my 15th level caster, that means I have a spell penetration I have a 40+1d20 without any feats spent on it. Other than that, Dragon just had a list of non-SR spells in the Feb issue. Those are great when going up against golems! |
| Hendel03-09-07, 12:40 AM | I should say that the Spell Vulnerability actually comes off the bad guy's SR, while the Assay Spell Resistance is a bonus to spell penetration. Same overall effect, just an important PSA. |
| runestar03-09-07, 12:42 AM | Isn't there this feat which lets you take 10 on caster lv checks or something? Combined with assay resistance and maybe spell penetration or some other way of boosting your caster lv, this means you are basically guaranteed of overcoming his sr every time...:) |
| TheOinodaemon03-09-07, 12:54 AM | Summon monsters. Let him have all the SR and healing he wants while various Outsiders, undead and elementals beat the crap out of him. Once you've summoned enough start buffing them. |
| Deus_Proelii03-09-07, 01:37 AM | 1. Cast Evard's Black Tentacles. No SR, no save, he needs to defeat the grapple checks to wriggle free... 2. Cast Cloudkill, Acid Fog, Incendiary Cloud on him while he's being grappled. Neither Cloudkill nor Acid Fog allow saves or SR. Incendiary Cloud allows a reflex save, which he will automatically fail being grappled. :devil: All told, he will be taking 7D6+4 points of hit point damage and 1D4 constitution damage a round. 3. Stand back, ready to counterspell, sip your martini and place bets on which kills him first, the hit point damage or CON drain. |
| runestar03-09-07, 06:48 AM | What is the cleric's strategies? I am worried that we are all oversimplifying the entire scenario...:( |
| Seeker9503-09-07, 08:57 AM | I have taken the DM down a peg or twoWhen did this become a thread about You vs. the DM? |
| runestar03-09-07, 09:33 AM | It is always about someone vs the dm...:P...or vice versa... |
| Hendel03-09-07, 10:05 AM | When did this become a thread about You vs. the DM? I don't know, but can you produce diamonds out of your back side? Lighten up a little! I'm a DM and a player, too. I was just helping the guy to solve his little SR problem. Sheesh!! |
| Thiez03-09-07, 10:10 AM | I don't know, but can you produce diamonds out of your back side? Lighten up a little! I'm a DM and a player, too. I was just helping the guy to solve his little SR problem. Sheesh!! You know, it's seeker, he's a bit of a legend. It wouldn't suprise me if the diamond thing were true... :P |