As a wizard, how to fight against another spell caster who has high SR? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Farrell

03-08-07, 12:52 PM
I raised this question, because last night, I played a 9wiz/6 Initiate of Sevenfold veil to fight against another spell caster who can use divine spells. In the first round, he casted Spell Resistance to raise his SR to 28, and I failed to dispel his spell.
In the second round, I tried again to dispel his SR spell, but I failed again.
Then I felt like I couldn't do anything to him.

I just want to know, as a wizard, are there some good spells I can rely on when I come across an enemy with high SR?

I know orb of fire, cold, force......But in front of a divine spell caster, I don't think these spells are very effective, since he can use Heal or Cure to heal himself if I could not get him in my turn.

Is there any spell which denies SR but can kill a creature instantanously?
Thanks!
malignor

03-08-07, 01:13 PM
Kill instantly? I highly doubt it.

But there's always
- summon things from beyond to eat him and his little dog, too.
- self-buff into a supergoon and stomp him.
- control the battlefield so he's useless.
- escape, scry on him and kill him in his sleep, like a real man.
tarkin

03-08-07, 01:19 PM
Tactics include:

1. Buffing yourself

2. Getting a cleric to cast Silence on him/someone grappling him

3. Summoning other creatures to help you fight him. I specifically include Using the spell Black Tentacles, even though they are not quite creatures.

4. Using spells like Acid Arrow/Orbs of X/CloudKill/Earthquake on him. Note the Acid Arrow trick makes casting harder as you need to beat a con check.

5. Using Dispell on him, or similar type spell (Anti-Magic)

6. Using a spell that lowers SR

7. Using a spell like ForceCage to imprison him.
CantripN

03-08-07, 01:35 PM
Get Assay Spell Resistance and laught at his SR 28... You'd need a 3 to pass his SR. Failing that, I'm always in favor of Teleport.
Farrell

03-08-07, 01:55 PM
Assay Resistance is a good option.
I think I can use the following strategy:
in the first round, I use the rod of metamagic quicken to cast Assay Resistance, then I could cast a Crasping Hand to hold him. If it worked, in the following rounds I could cast Enervation or Touch of Idiocy to lower his ability of casting spells. Then if that worked, I could get him!

What do you guys think of this strategy?
By the way, I personally prefer touch spells or ray spells, since they don't depend on DC. I just feel that it's much easier to raise your SVs than the DC of your spells......
Magetastic

03-08-07, 01:55 PM
Assay resistance is good (always keep one prepared for long battles) but i prefer using true casting with the craft contingent spell feat. So i create contingent true castings triggered for when i say "twabadonk", "slagmorty" or some other non-sense word and sense speaking is a free action i get to keep my swift action to dish out the quickened pain.

BTW contingent true castings cost 50 gold a pop and take 0 days to make and it stacks with assay resistance (as assay resistance is an unnamed bonus and true casting is an insight)
Seeker95

03-08-07, 02:09 PM
Use spells that do not allow spell resistance.
Abyssal Army
Acid Arrow
Acid Fog
Acid Rain (M)
Acid Splash
Acid Storm (M)
Aerial Alarm
Aiming Line
Airy Water
Alarm
Greater Alarm (F)
Alert Bebilith (M)
Alustriel's Banner (M)
Analyze Dweomer (F)
Analyze Portal
Analyze Touchstone
Animate Dead (M)
Animate Dead Familiar (XP)
Animate Dread Warrior (XP)
Animate Legion (M)
Animate Objects
Animate Rope
Anticipate Teleportation (F)
Greater Anticipate Teleportation (F)
Antifire Sphere
Arc of Lightning
Arcana Form
Arcane Eye
Arcane Lock (M)
Improved Arcane Lock (M)
Arcane Mark
Arcane Seal
Arctic Haze
Arms of Plenty
Ashstar
Attune Form
Aura of Evasion (M)
Balor Nimbus
Bands of Steel
Benign Transposition
Bind Item
Black Bag
Black Tentacles
Blacklight
Blackwater Tentacle
Blade of Blood
Blades of Fire
Blast of Flame
Blast of Sand
Blinding Glory
Blockade
Boiling Oil
Bolt of Conjuring
Bone Chill
Break Enchantment
Bristle
Burning Sword
Buzzing Bee
Call Dretch Horde
Call Kolyarut (XP)
Call Lemure Horde
Call Marut (XP)
Call Nightmare
Call Zelekhut (XP)
Caltrops
Candlelight
Catapult
Celestial Brilliance
Chalkboard
Changestones (F)
Cheat (F)
Clairaudience/Clairvoyance
Clearstone
Cloak Pool
Clone (M) (F)
Clothier's Closet
Cloud of Bewilderment
Cloudkill
Column of Ice
Conditional Spell
Conjure Greater Midnight Construct (M)
Conjure Lesser Midnight Construct (M)
Conjure Midnight Construct (M)
Conjurer's Toolbelt
Continual Flame (M)
Control Darkness and Shadow
Control Temperature
Control Water
Control Weather
Corpse Candle
Create Fetch
Create Greater Undead (M)
Create Trap
Create Undead (M)
Damning Darkness
Dancing Chains
Dancing Lights
Darkliqht
Darkness
Daylight
Death Grimace
Death Throes
Desert Burial
Detect Aberration
Detect Dragonmark
Detect Magic
Detect Poison
Detect Scrying
Detect Secret Doors
Detect Ship (F)
Detect Thoughts
Detect Undead
Devlin's Barb
Devlin's Venomblade
Dimension Door
Dimension Door, Greater
Dimension Leap
Disarm
Discern Location
Discolor Pool
Disguise Ship
Disguise Undead
Dispel Magic
Greater Dispel Magic
Dispel Ward
Dispelling Screen
Greater Dispelling Screen
Distort Summons
Distracting Ray
Distracting Shadows
Dolorous Blow
Dragon Ally (XP)
Greater Dragon Ally (XP)
Lesser Dragon Ally (XP)
Dust Storm
Early Twilight
Earth Lock (M)
Ectoplasmic Armor
Ectoplasmic Enhancement
Elemental Shroud
Emerald Planes
Enchanting Flavor
Enhance Magical Flow (M)
Greater Enhance Magical Flow (M)
Erase
Ethereal Mount
Evacuation Rune
Exaction
Excavate
Expeditious Excavation (M) (F)
Eye of Power
Fabricate (M)
False Vision (M)
Familiar Pocket
Favorable Wind
Fey Ring (XP)
Fierce Pride of the Beastlands
Fimbulwinter (XP)
Flame Arrow
Flaywind Burst
Floating Disk
Greater Floating Disk
Fog Cloud
Foil Tracer
Force Chest
Force Ladder (F)
Forcecage (M)
Foresight
Freezing Fog
Frost Weapon
Fuse Sand
Gaseous Form
Gate (XP)
Gemjump (F)
Ghost Sound
Ghostly Reload
Giant's Wrath
Glacial Globe of Invulnerability
Glacial Ward
Greater Glacial Ward (M)
Glaze Lock
Glitterdust
Globe of Invulnerability
Lesser Globe of Invulnerability
Glowing Orb (F)
Grasping Wall
Grease
Great Thunderclap
Groundsmoke
Haboob
Hallucinatory Terrain
Heavenly Host
Hellish Horde
Hidden Lodge
Hidden Object
Hidden Ward
Hindsight (M)
Hiss of Sleep
Hold Portal
Horrible Taste
Hurl
Ice Assassin (M) (XP)
Ice Castle (F)
Ice Darts
Ice Rift
Ice Shape
Ice Web (M)
Identify (M)
Illusory Pit
Illusory Wall
Imbrue
Imbue Guardian
Implore (XP)
Incendiary Cloud
Incorporeal Enhancement
Infernal Wound
Inky Cloud
Instant Summons (M)
Superior Invisibility
Invoke the Cerulean Sign
Knock
Laogzed's Breath
Launch Bolt
Launch Item
Leomund's Billet
Leomund's Tiny Igloo
Levitate
Light
Llenol's Hasty Spell Scriber (M) (F)
Local Tremor
Locate Creature
Locate Node (F)
Locate Object
Locate Touchstone
Locate Water
Lower Spell Resistance
Luminous Gaze
Mage Armor
Mass Mage Armor
Mage Hand
Mage's Disjunction
Mage's Faithful Hound
Mage's Magnificent Mansion (F)
Mage's Private Sanctum
Magic Aura
Magic Circle against Chaos
Magic Circle against Evil
Magic Circle against Good
Magic Circle against Law
Magic Miasma
Magnetic Pulse
Major Creation
Major Image
Mantle of Egregious Might (F)
Mental Alarm
Message
Mighty Wallop
Greater Mighty Wallop
Mineralize Warrior (M) (XP)
Minimus Containment (F)
Minor Creation
Minor Image
Mirage Arcana
Misdirection
Miser's Envy
Mislead
Mordenkainen's Capable Caravel (F)
Mount
Mountain Stance
Move Earth
Move Snow and Ice
Mudslide
Nauseating Breath
Necrotic Awareness (F)
Necrotic Bloat (F)
Necrotic Burst (F)
Necrotic Eruption (F)
Necrotic Scrying (F)
Necrotic Termination (F) (XP)
Necrotic Tumor (F)
Nether Trail
Nezram's Amethyst Aura
No Light
Node Door
Node Genesis (XP)
Node Lock
Obscuring Mist
Obscuring Snow
Orb of Acid
Greater Orb of Acid
Lesser Orb of Acid
Orb of Cold
Lesser Orb of Cold
Orb of Electricity
Lesser Orb of Electricity
Orb of Fire
Lesser Orb of Fire
Orb of Force
Orb of Negative Energy
Orb of Sound
Lesser Orb of Sound
Orbs of Various Energy
Passwall
Perfect Summons
Perinarch
Planar Perinarch
Permanency (XP)
Permanent Image (M)
Permanent Soul Binding (M) (XP)
Persistent Image
Phantasmal Thief
Phantom Foe (F)
Phantom Guardians
Phantom Steed
Mass Phantom Steed
Phantom Trap (M)
Phase Door
Plague of Undead (M)
Planar Binding
Greater Planar Binding
Lesser Planar Binding
Planar Bubble
Polymorph
Portal Alarm
Improved Portal Alarm
Portal Beacon
Portal View
Portal Well
Precise Vision
Prestidigitation
Programmed Image (M)
Project Image (M)
Protection from Chaos
Protection from Evil
Protection from Good
Protection from Law
Prying Eyes
Greater Prying Eyes
Pyrotechnics
Raging Flame
Raise Hummock (M)
Ray Deflection
Reaving Dispel
Reciprocal Gyre
Refuge (M)
Regal Procession
Rend Shadow Weave
Repair Critical Damage
Repair Light Damage
Repair Minor Damage
Repair Moderate Damage
Repair Serious Damage
Returning Weapon
Reverse Gravity
Rockburst
Rope Trick
Rouse
Ruby Ray of Reversal (M)
Sand Spiral
Scalding Mud
Scatterspray
Scorpion Tail
Scramble Portal
Screen
Scry Location
Seal Portal (M)
Secret Chest (F)
Secret Page
Secure Shelter
Seeming
Sending
Sepia Snake Sigil (M)
Sequester
Serpent Arrow
Servant Horde
Shadow Cache
Shadow Guardians
Shieldbearer
Sign of Sealing (M)
Greater Sign of Sealing (M)
Silent Image
Silvered Weapon
Simulacrum (M) (XP)
Siphon
Skeletal Guard (M)
Skull Snare
Skull Watch (F)
Skyrift (M) (F) (XP)
Sleet Storm
Slipping the Ranks
Slow Burn
Snowdrift
Solid Fog
Sonic Weapon
Soul Bind (F)
Speak To Allies
Speaking Stones
Spectral Hand
Spell Snare
Greater Spell Snare
Spell Theft
Spell Vulnerability
Spiritwall
Spontaneous Search
Spymaster's Coin
Static Veil
Steeldance
Sticks And Stones
Sticky Floor
Stinking Cloud
Stone Metamorphosis
Greater Stone Metamorphosis
Stone Shape
Greater Stone Shape
Stonemantle
Stormrunner's Ward
Stormwalk
Submerge Ship
Summon Aspect Of Bahamut
Summon Elemental Monolith (M)
Summon Monster I
Summon Monster II
Summon Monster III
Summon Monster IV
Summon Monster IX
Summon Monster V
Summon Monster VI
Summon Monster VII
Summon Monster VIII
Summon Swarm
Summon Undead I
Summon Undead II
Summon Undead III
Summon Undead IV
Summon Undead V
Suppress Dragonmark
Suppress Flame (M)
Surefooted Stride (M)
Mass Surefooted Stride (M)
Suspended Silence (M)
Symbol Of Spell Loss
Targeting Ray
Telepathic Bond
Interplanar Telepathic Bond
Lesser Telepathic Bond
Telepathy Block
Teleport
Teleport Block (M)
Teleport Coordinates Transfer
Teleport Tracer
Greater Teleport
Mass Teleport
Temporary Soul Binding
Bimonthly Temporary Soul Binding (M) (XP)
Daily Temporary Soul Binding
Eventful Temporary Soul Binding
Minor Temporary Soul Binding
Moderate Temporary Soul Binding
Monthly Temporary Soul Binding (M)
Semimonthly Temporary Soul Binding (M)
Semiweekly Temporary Soul Binding (M)
Thief Ward
Thin Air
Tiny Hut
Tongue of Angels
Tongue of Fiends
Tongues
Transcribe Symbol
Transfusion
Transmute Mud to Rock
Transmute Rock to Lava
Transmute Rock to Mud
Transmute Sand to Glass
Transmute Sand to Stone
Transmute Stone to Sand
Tunnel Swallow
Turbidity
Unbinding
Undaunted Fixture
Undead Couduit
Understand Object
Undulant Innards
Unseen Crafter
Unseen Servant
Mass Unseen Servant
Utterdark
Vanishing Weapon
Ventriloquism
Visage of the Dead
Vitrify
Vitriolic Sphere
Volcanic Storm (M)
Wall of Chains
Wall of Coldfire (M)
Wall of Deadly Chains
Wall of Dispel Magic
Wall of Eyes
Wall of Force
Wall of Gears
Wall of Greater Dispel Magic
Wall of Iron (M)
Wall of Ooze
Wall of Salt
Wall of Sand
Wall of Sand 2
Wall of Smoke
Wall of Stone
Wall of Water
Watchware
Water to Acid
Web
Whirling Blade (F)
Whispering Sand
Whispering Wind
Wings of Air
Greater Wings of Air
Yoke of Mercy
Zone of Glacial Cold
Zone of Respite
Zone of Speed

Abyssal Army
Acid Arrow
Acid Fog
Acid Rain (M)
Acid Splash
Aerial Alarm
Airy Water
Alarm
Greater Alarm (F)
Alert Bebilith (M)
Analyze Dweomer (F)
Animate Dead (M)
Animate Dead Familiar (XP)
Animate Dread Warrior (XP)
Animate Legion (M)
Animate Objects
Animate Rope
Anticipate Teleportation (F)
Greater Anticipate Teleportation (F)
Arcana Form
Arcane Eye
Arcane Lock (M)
Improved Arcane Lock (M)
Arcane Mark
Arcane Seal
Arms of Plenty
Attune Form
Aura of Evasion (M)
Balor Nimbus
Benign Transposition
Bind Item
Black Bag
Black Tentacles
Blacklight
Blade of Blood
Blades of Fire
Blinding Glory
Bolt of Conjuring
Bristle
Burning Sword
Buzzing Bee
Call Dretch Horde
Call Kolyarut (XP)
Call Lemure Horde
Call Marut (XP)
Call Nightmare
Call Zelekhut (XP)
Caltrops
Candlelight
Celestial Brilliance
Changestones (F)
Clairaudience/Clairvoyance
Clearstone
Clone (M) (F)
Clothier's Closet
Conditional Spell
Conjure Greater Midnight Construct (M)
Conjure Lesser Midnight Construct (M)
Conjure Midnight Construct (M)
Conjurer's Toolbelt
Continual Flame (M)
Control Darkness and Shadow
Control Temperature
Control Water
Control Weather
Corpse Candle
Create Fetch
Create Greater Undead (M)
Create Trap
Create Undead (M)
Damning Darkness
Dancing Chains
Dancing Lights
Darkliqht
Darkness
Daylight
Death Grimace
Death Throes
Detect Aberration
Detect Dragonmark
Detect Magic
Detect Poison
Detect Scrying
Detect Secret Doors
Detect Ship (F)
Detect Undead
Devlin's Barb
Devlin's Venomblade
Dimension Door
Dimension Door, Greater
Dimension Leap
Disarm
Discern Location
Disguise Undead
Dispel Magic
Greater Dispel Magic
Dispel Ward
Dispelling Screen
Greater Dispelling Screen
Distort Summons
Distracting Ray
Distracting Shadows
Dolorous Blow
Dragon Ally (XP)
Greater Dragon Ally (XP)
Lesser Dragon Ally (XP)
Dust Storm
Early Twilight
Earth Lock (M)
Ectoplasmic Enhancement
Elemental Shroud
Emerald Planes
Enchanting Flavor
Enhance Magical Flow (M)
Greater Enhance Magical Flow (M)
Ethereal Mount
Evacuation Rune
Exaction
Excavate
Expeditious Excavation (M) (F)
Eye of Power
Fabricate (M)
False Vision (M)
Familiar Pocket
Fierce Pride of the Beastlands
Fimbulwinter (XP)
Flame Arrow
Floating Disk
Greater Floating Disk
Fog Cloud
Foil Tracer
Force Chest
Force Ladder (F)
Forcecage (M)
Foresight
Gaseous Form
Gate (XP)
Gemjump (F)
Ghostly Reload
Giant's Wrath
Glacial Globe of Invulnerability
Glacial Ward
Greater Glacial Ward (M)
Glaze Lock
Globe of Invulnerability
Lesser Globe of Invulnerability
Glowing Orb (F)
Groundsmoke
Haboob
Heavenly Host
Hellish Horde
Hidden Lodge
Hidden Object
Hidden Ward
Hindsight (M)
Hold Portal
Hurl
Ice Assassin (M) (XP)
Ice Castle (F)
Ice Darts
Ice Shape
Identify (M)
Imbrue
Imbue Guardian
Incorporeal Enhancement
Infernal Wound
Inky Cloud
Instant Summons (M)
Knock
Launch Bolt
Launch Item
Leomund's Billet
Leomund's Tiny Igloo
Levitate
Light
Locate Creature
Locate Node (F)
Locate Object
Locate Touchstone
Locate Water
Mage Hand
Mage's Faithful Hound
Mage's Magnificent Mansion (F)
Mage's Private Sanctum
Magic Aura
Major Creation
Mantle of Egregious Might (F)
Mental Alarm
Message
Mighty Wallop
Greater Mighty Wallop
Mineralize Warrior (M) (XP)
Minimus Containment (F)
Minor Creation
Misdirection
Miser's Envy
Mislead
Mordenkainen's Capable Caravel (F)
Mount
Move Earth
Move Snow and Ice
Necrotic Awareness (F)
Necrotic Bloat (F)
Necrotic Scrying (F)
Nezram's Amethyst Aura
No Light
Node Door
Node Genesis (XP)
Node Lock
Obscuring Mist
Obscuring Snow
Lesser Orb of Acid
Lesser Orb of Cold
Lesser Orb of Electricity
Lesser Orb of Fire
Orb of Force
Orb of Negative Energy
Lesser Orb of Sound
Orbs of Various Energy
Passwall
Perfect Summons
Perinarch
Planar Perinarch
Permanency (XP)
Phantasmal Thief
Phantom Steed
Mass Phantom Steed
Phantom Trap (M)
Phase Door
Plague of Undead (M)
Polymorph
Portal Alarm
Improved Portal Alarm
Portal Beacon
Portal View
Portal Well
Precise Vision
Prying Eyes
Greater Prying Eyes
Raging Flame
Raise Hummock (M)
Ray Deflection
Refuge (M)
Regal Procession
Rend Shadow Weave
Repair Critical Damage
Repair Light Damage
Repair Minor Damage
Repair Moderate Damage
Repair Serious Damage
Returning Weapon
Reverse Gravity
Rope Trick
Rouse
Ruby Ray of Reversal (M)
Scatterspray
Scramble Portal
Screen
Seal Portal (M)
Secret Chest (F)
Secret Page
Secure Shelter
Sending
Sequester
Serpent Arrow
Servant Horde
Shadow Cache
Shieldbearer
Silvered Weapon
Simulacrum (M) (XP)
Siphon
Skeletal Guard (M)
Skull Snare
Skull Watch (F)
Skyrift (M) (F) (XP)
Sleet Storm
Slipping the Ranks
Slow Burn
Snowdrift
Solid Fog
Sonic Weapon
Speak To Allies
Speaking Stones
Spectral Hand
Spell Snare
Greater Spell Snare
Spell Theft
Spiritwall
Spontaneous Search
Spymaster's Coin
Static Veil
Steeldance
Sticks And Stones
Stone Metamorphosis
Greater Stone Metamorphosis
Stone Shape
Greater Stone Shape
Stormrunner's Ward
Stormwalk
Submerge Ship
Summon Aspect Of Bahamut
Summon Elemental Monolith (M)
Summon Monster I
Summon Monster II
Summon Monster III
Summon Monster IV
Summon Monster IX
Summon Monster V
Summon Monster VI
Summon Monster VII
Summon Monster VIII
Summon Swarm
Summon Undead I
Summon Undead II
Summon Undead III
Summon Undead IV
Summon Undead V
Suppress Flame (M)
Surefooted Stride (M)
Mass Surefooted Stride (M)
Suspended Silence (M)
Targeting Ray
Telepathic Bond
Interplanar Telepathic Bond
Lesser Telepathic Bond
Telepathy Block
Teleport
Teleport Block (M)
Teleport Coordinates Transfer
Teleport Tracer
Greater Teleport
Mass Teleport
Thief Ward
Tiny Hut
Tongue of Angels
Tongue of Fiends
Transcribe Symbol
Transfusion
Turbidity
Unbinding
Undaunted Fixture
Undead Couduit
Understand Object
Undulant Innards
Unseen Crafter
Unseen Servant
Mass Unseen Servant
Utterdark
Vanishing Weapon
Visage of the Dead
Wall of Chains
Wall of Coldfire (M)
Wall of Dispel Magic
Wall of Force
Wall of Greater Dispel Magic
Wall of Sand
Wall of Water
Watchware
Water to Acid
Whirling Blade (F)
Whispering Sand
Whispering Wind
Wings of Air
Greater Wings of Air
Zone of Respite
Zone of Speed
Magetastic

03-08-07, 02:15 PM
Having fun with spell filters seeker?:P
Thiez

03-08-07, 02:40 PM
Too bad half of those spells are harmless, like animate rope and arcane eye :P
TygerTyger

03-08-07, 03:12 PM
Seeker, where do you find these marvelous lists so quickly!?? I assume there is a function somewhere, could you point me to it?
CantripN

03-08-07, 03:14 PM
Coolest part about Assay Spell Resistance: It's a Swift Action spell!

And unlike True Casting, it lasts 1 round/level, not a single spell.
Seeker95

03-08-07, 04:35 PM
My secret is IMarvinTPA.com
Andy has put together the absolute best spell filter index.
Farrell

03-08-07, 05:49 PM
Thank you guys all, especially seeker, your secret website helps a lot!!!:)
Moribund

03-08-07, 06:01 PM
Cast acid rain from Heroes of Battle. It's a good No Save, no SR spell. It may not do great damage but it does impede them and forces Concentration checks. Follow that up with transmute mud to rock and then caustic smoke. Move around and cast other no SR area spells (like bright worms) at where he is currently stuck, or take your time using true casting and readying an attack spell for when he starts casting. Laugh as he dies a slow painful death. You might summon some acid resistant creatures (preferably with Blind Fight or blindsight) to keep him company.
FntsyWlkr

03-08-07, 07:00 PM
Tactics include:


4. Using spells like Acid Arrow/Orbs of X/CloudKill/Earthquake on him. Note the Acid Arrow trick makes casting harder as you need to beat a con check.


REEEEEally?

... (rubs hands together) ... excellent.
Thiez

03-08-07, 07:03 PM
Not really. Any smart spellcaster will have a high concentration. This guy has CL 16. And he's a divine caster level (that means he's unlikely to have a low con). And maybe a +5 concentration item, those only cost 2,5k anyway.
Farrell

03-08-07, 08:07 PM
I still think Grasping Hand is a good choice, since if he is held by the magical hand, the spells he can use are really limited.
Illithid_Tentacles

03-08-07, 11:31 PM
Summon stuff. Have them attack him physically. If he takes damage, he'll have to make a concentration check to successfully cast. Also, for summons, SR is a non-issue, unless they use spells or spell-like abilities.
Hendel

03-09-07, 12:38 AM
All good suggestions!

I have taken the DM down a peg or two with a swift Assay Spell Resistance, followed by a Spell Vulnerability (He gets a Fort save) on the big SR bad guy. For my 15th level caster, that means I have a spell penetration I have a 40+1d20 without any feats spent on it.

Other than that, Dragon just had a list of non-SR spells in the Feb issue. Those are great when going up against golems!
Hendel

03-09-07, 12:40 AM
I should say that the Spell Vulnerability actually comes off the bad guy's SR, while the Assay Spell Resistance is a bonus to spell penetration. Same overall effect, just an important PSA.
runestar

03-09-07, 12:42 AM
Isn't there this feat which lets you take 10 on caster lv checks or something? Combined with assay resistance and maybe spell penetration or some other way of boosting your caster lv, this means you are basically guaranteed of overcoming his sr every time...:)
TheOinodaemon

03-09-07, 12:54 AM
Summon monsters. Let him have all the SR and healing he wants while various Outsiders, undead and elementals beat the crap out of him.

Once you've summoned enough start buffing them.
Deus_Proelii

03-09-07, 01:37 AM
1. Cast Evard's Black Tentacles. No SR, no save, he needs to defeat the grapple checks to wriggle free...

2. Cast Cloudkill, Acid Fog, Incendiary Cloud on him while he's being grappled. Neither Cloudkill nor Acid Fog allow saves or SR. Incendiary Cloud allows a reflex save, which he will automatically fail being grappled. :devil:

All told, he will be taking 7D6+4 points of hit point damage and 1D4 constitution damage a round.

3. Stand back, ready to counterspell, sip your martini and place bets on which kills him first, the hit point damage or CON drain.
runestar

03-09-07, 06:48 AM
What is the cleric's strategies? I am worried that we are all oversimplifying the entire scenario...:(
Seeker95

03-09-07, 08:57 AM
I have taken the DM down a peg or twoWhen did this become a thread about You vs. the DM?
runestar

03-09-07, 09:33 AM
It is always about someone vs the dm...:P...or vice versa...
Hendel

03-09-07, 10:05 AM
When did this become a thread about You vs. the DM?

I don't know, but can you produce diamonds out of your back side?

Lighten up a little! I'm a DM and a player, too. I was just helping the guy to solve his little SR problem. Sheesh!!
Thiez

03-09-07, 10:10 AM
I don't know, but can you produce diamonds out of your back side?

Lighten up a little! I'm a DM and a player, too. I was just helping the guy to solve his little SR problem. Sheesh!!

You know, it's seeker, he's a bit of a legend. It wouldn't suprise me if the diamond thing were true... :P