Assay Resistance and Lower Spell Resistance [Archive] - Wizards Community

Assay Resistance and Lower Spell Resistance [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
Licínio Miranda
10-20-06, 10:47 AM Hi, a player of mine wants one of these spells:

Assay Resistance and Lower Spell Resistance

They are from Spell Compendium. But I don´t like them, looks broken to me. What do you folks think about it?
Regwon
10-20-06, 10:53 AM i couldnt find lowerspell resistance but assay spell resistance seems fine to me. it has a very useful, but very narrow application. its good if your players know that theyre only going to be fighting one type creature that happens to have spell resistance if not then its mediocare at best. and its not an automatic success either. it only gives them a +10 bonus to their caster level check so they could still roll a one. all in all its seems like a reasonable spell.
Father Dale
10-20-06, 01:26 PM Both are good spells and have benefits over the other.

Assay Resistance is the more popular since there is no save. However, it only gives a benefit to the caster against a single creature.

Lower SR has a saving throw, but it affects a single creature's SR, so that every spellcaster benefits against the target's SR. This works better if there are multiple casters trying to affect the creature. (For example, a party that has a wizard, cleric, bard, and duskblade might be better off if the wizard has Lower SR instead of Assay.)

Most high level spellcasters will have Assay Resistance prepared at least once a day. Spontaneous caster's might not bother with such a situation specific spell, but wizards and clerics will often use it. Note thought that as a 4th lvl spell its competing with some realy good cleric spells (Death Ward and Freedom of Movement come right to mind.)

So ya, its a good spell, but there is of course a trade off in that the wizard can't prepare another Enervation spell or the Cleric can't prepare a second Death Ward. Its a very good spell to have on a scroll though.
Derren S.
10-20-06, 02:27 PM Lower Spell resistance is still ok because of teh 1 round acasting time, but Assay Resistence is totally broken. That spell removes SR from the game. And that it works only on a single creature is no drawback. By the time you fight against multiple creatures at once you are so high that their SR isn't much of a problem anymore.
Regwon
10-20-06, 02:40 PM Lower Spell resistance is still ok because of teh 1 round acasting time, but Assay Resistence is totally broken. That spell removes SR from the game. And that it works only on a single creature is no drawback. By the time you fight against multiple creatures at once you are so high that their SR isn't much of a problem anymore.

it doesnt completely remove spell resistance from the game. they still have to make the roll. it only gives them a big bonus. they could still fail. if you dont like it dont use creatures with spell resistance or use golems.
Jaid
10-20-06, 03:56 PM it doesnt completely remove spell resistance from the game. they still have to make the roll. it only gives them a big bonus. they could still fail. if you dont like it dont use creatures with spell resistance or use golems.ummm... no. if you don't like it, remove the spell from the game. it is better to remove the one thing you don't like, than it is to remove the many, many things you might like just so that they don't interract with the one thing you don't like.
Bopple
10-21-06, 09:39 PM #1. Lower Spell Resistance(Draconomicon) Wiz4/Clr4
#2. Then Spell Vulnerability(Planar Handbook) - identical to #1, except Wiz3/Clr4
#3. Spell Vulnerability(Spell Compendium) - identical to #2, except it no longer penalize target's saving throw but casting time is still 1 round.
#4. Release order: Draconomicon -> Planar Handbook -> Spell Compendium

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1. Lower Resistance is probably replaced by Spell Vulnerability.
2. Spell Vulnerability is nerfed and almost useless.
Derren S.
10-22-06, 03:23 AM it doesnt completely remove spell resistance from the game. they still have to make the roll. it only gives them a big bonus. they could still fail. if you dont like it dont use creatures with spell resistance or use golems.

There is no automatic failure with caster level checks. And with a bonus of +10 you are guranteed to beat the SR of any equal CR creature even if you roll a 1. The only exceptions are mind flayers which require you to roll a 6.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Licínio Miranda 10-20-06, 10:47 AM	Hi, a player of mine wants one of these spells: Assay Resistance and Lower Spell Resistance They are from Spell Compendium. But I don´t like them, looks broken to me. What do you folks think about it?
Regwon 10-20-06, 10:53 AM	i couldnt find lowerspell resistance but assay spell resistance seems fine to me. it has a very useful, but very narrow application. its good if your players know that theyre only going to be fighting one type creature that happens to have spell resistance if not then its mediocare at best. and its not an automatic success either. it only gives them a +10 bonus to their caster level check so they could still roll a one. all in all its seems like a reasonable spell.
Father Dale 10-20-06, 01:26 PM	Both are good spells and have benefits over the other. Assay Resistance is the more popular since there is no save. However, it only gives a benefit to the caster against a single creature. Lower SR has a saving throw, but it affects a single creature's SR, so that every spellcaster benefits against the target's SR. This works better if there are multiple casters trying to affect the creature. (For example, a party that has a wizard, cleric, bard, and duskblade might be better off if the wizard has Lower SR instead of Assay.) Most high level spellcasters will have Assay Resistance prepared at least once a day. Spontaneous caster's might not bother with such a situation specific spell, but wizards and clerics will often use it. Note thought that as a 4th lvl spell its competing with some realy good cleric spells (Death Ward and Freedom of Movement come right to mind.) So ya, its a good spell, but there is of course a trade off in that the wizard can't prepare another Enervation spell or the Cleric can't prepare a second Death Ward. Its a very good spell to have on a scroll though.
Derren S. 10-20-06, 02:27 PM	Lower Spell resistance is still ok because of teh 1 round acasting time, but Assay Resistence is totally broken. That spell removes SR from the game. And that it works only on a single creature is no drawback. By the time you fight against multiple creatures at once you are so high that their SR isn't much of a problem anymore.
Regwon 10-20-06, 02:40 PM	Lower Spell resistance is still ok because of teh 1 round acasting time, but Assay Resistence is totally broken. That spell removes SR from the game. And that it works only on a single creature is no drawback. By the time you fight against multiple creatures at once you are so high that their SR isn't much of a problem anymore. it doesnt completely remove spell resistance from the game. they still have to make the roll. it only gives them a big bonus. they could still fail. if you dont like it dont use creatures with spell resistance or use golems.
Jaid 10-20-06, 03:56 PM	it doesnt completely remove spell resistance from the game. they still have to make the roll. it only gives them a big bonus. they could still fail. if you dont like it dont use creatures with spell resistance or use golems.ummm... no. if you don't like it, remove the spell from the game. it is better to remove the one thing you don't like, than it is to remove the many, many things you might like just so that they don't interract with the one thing you don't like.
Bopple 10-21-06, 09:39 PM	#1. Lower Spell Resistance(Draconomicon) Wiz4/Clr4 #2. Then Spell Vulnerability(Planar Handbook) - identical to #1, except Wiz3/Clr4 #3. Spell Vulnerability(Spell Compendium) - identical to #2, except it no longer penalize target's saving throw but casting time is still 1 round. #4. Release order: Draconomicon -> Planar Handbook -> Spell Compendium Sum) 1. Lower Resistance is probably replaced by Spell Vulnerability. 2. Spell Vulnerability is nerfed and almost useless.
Derren S. 10-22-06, 03:23 AM	it doesnt completely remove spell resistance from the game. they still have to make the roll. it only gives them a big bonus. they could still fail. if you dont like it dont use creatures with spell resistance or use golems. There is no automatic failure with caster level checks. And with a bonus of +10 you are guranteed to beat the SR of any equal CR creature even if you roll a 1. The only exceptions are mind flayers which require you to roll a 6.