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BraulioB 07-03-07, 03:28 PM	The Darkness spell says that "All creatures in the area gain concealment (20% miss chance)". What I am wondering, what if I am inside a darkness spell and I am attacking with a bow monsters outside of it. Do they get the bonus since I can't really see them that well. I am in shadowy illumination, so I can see them having problems shooting me. What about casting a spell out from the darkness? It doesn't seem to me that the spell is really darkness, but more like shadow. Obscuring mist makes it hard to see those more than 5' away, but darkness isn't like this. Help, please. B
TheGogmagog 07-03-07, 03:46 PM	By the letter of the spell, it seems to me that there is no miss chance to attack someone outside the area of effect from within the area of effect. I also wouldn't apply miss chance for an area of darkness in the center of a long hallway (lit at both ends). It's an easily debatable point though, so the final answer would be up to your DM.
Vegepygmy 07-03-07, 05:56 PM	What I am wondering, what if I am inside a darkness spell and I am attacking with a bow monsters outside of it. Do they get the bonus since I can't really see them that well.PHB, page 152: To determine whether your target has concealment from your ranged attack, choose a corner of your square. If any line from this corner to any corner of the target’s square passes through a square or border that provides concealment, the target has concealment. When making a melee attack against an adjacent target, your target has concealment if his space is entirely within an effect that grants concealment (such as a cloud of smoke). When making a melee attack against a target that isn’t adjacent to you (for instance, with a reach weapon), use the rules for determining concealment from ranged attacks.
True Cavalier 07-04-07, 08:22 AM	So if you are hiding in the shadows at night, you cannot easily hit an enemy carrying a torch 10 meters away because there are shadows between you and him? Funny :) That rule obviously had in mind smoke and other such hindrances, not darkness.
BaelinWhale 07-04-07, 08:16 PM	So if you are hiding in the shadows at night, you cannot easily hit an enemy carrying a torch 10 meters away because there are shadows between you and him? Funny That rule obviously had in mind smoke and other such hindrances, not darkness. Considering the weird effects of magical darkness, you could assume that it provides either a shadowsmoke effect or a field that obscures light rather than just plain ol' black colored light. :P Personally, I'd envision the situation to look like I'm seeing my target through a field of tinted glass, which makes it hard for us to see each other.
Vegepygmy 07-05-07, 01:51 AM	That rule obviously had in mind smoke and other such hindrances, not darkness.I agree that 1) the rule is flawed; 2) the rule should not be indiscriminately applied to nonmagical darkness.
Leilond 07-05-07, 09:30 AM	Being magical it can be perfectly belivable that you can see outside it without problem, without being able to see well inside it... it's magic By the way, personally I rule that the darkness from the spell is like a "smoke" that prevent light to "enter and exit" enought well. If the light cannot "enter" well in the darkness, nor can do "enemy image" and thus I consider them under concealment
tarkin 07-05-07, 02:16 PM	The problem is people are thinking of magical darkness as some kind of invisible field that puts out light. That is wrong. Magical Darkness is far more like a fog that blocks light. The concealment rule is not flawed, instead it is the current existing definition of Magical Darkness that is strange.
True Cavalier 07-05-07, 02:55 PM	Magical Darkness is far more like a fog that blocks light. I thought it was "shadowy illumination". Why would you think it's fog?