Augment Healing & Scrolls [Archive] - Wizards Community

Augment Healing & Scrolls [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Dunkel
09-21-06, 01:33 PM At which point is Augment Healing factored in the amount of healing done by a scroll? As I can see it, possibilities are 3:

Augment Healing bonus is added when spell is scribed. (Spell scriber has the feat.)
Augment Healing bonus is added when spell is cast. (Spell caster has the feat.)
Augment Healing doesn't affect the spell.

As I see it, option 2 would be most reasonable: Feat signifies character's aptitude for wielding the healing magic, and that aptitude augments the spell.

Reason why I don't like option 1: A spell-scriber with Augment Healing feat would be producing very sought-after scrolls, due to their increased efficiency.

Reason why I don't like option 3: Well, using scroll is same as casting the spell, according to D&D. Having a spell-casting feat not apply diminishes the power of the spell.

Note : I suspect same would apply to any other spell-affecting feat and scrolls: I.e. does Spell Focus or Spell Penetration affect a scroll-cast spell? Or can one scribe a scroll of i.e. Silent Fireball?
Seeker95
09-21-06, 01:44 PM All three are correct in their proper context.
For the purposes of a scroll, the answers are 1 and 3.

If the scroll was scribed with the Feat applied, then it always there.
If the scroll was not scribed with the Feat applied, it is never there.
Seeker95
09-21-06, 01:46 PM Reason why I don't like option 3: Well, using scroll is same as casting the spell, according to D&D.Not at all.

Using a scroll eliminates the need for the caster to have material components, focus, or experience point cost. Using a scroll eliminates the need to be of sufficient level to cast the spell. Using a scroll eliminates the need to have an open spell slot.

The only thing "the same" is the effect.
KmartKommando
09-22-06, 05:12 PM Not at all.

Using a scroll eliminates the need for the caster to have material components, focus, or experience point cost. Using a scroll eliminates the need to be of sufficient level to cast the spell. Using a scroll eliminates the need to have an open spell slot.

The only thing "the same" is the effect.

It also eliminates all of the bonuses you had from a high casting stat. Leaving Augmented Healing in the scroll seems fine to me. You burned 2 feats to get there, and you're probably a healbot anyway, so might as well let you be good at your job. :P

Besides, if you're making the scroll, then you're already spending the gold, XP, and material compnonents. No reason to penalise you further.
Seeker95
09-22-06, 06:35 PM KartKommando, I am trying to place your comments into the topic.

A scroll user cannot add the augment healing feat effect to a scroll he is using. He can only add it when creating the scroll.
Someone
09-23-06, 12:21 AM I would rule that the resultant augmented scroll would cost more to create. Say, about the same as a scroll at +2 caster level.
Seeker95
09-23-06, 07:50 AM Someone, I agree with you, and simply had not even considered that anyone would think otherwise. Adding feat effects at the time of creation inherently increases the cost.

However, in examining the feat more closely, I realize it does nothing to the slot required in the casting. Good catch!

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Dunkel 09-21-06, 01:33 PM	At which point is Augment Healing factored in the amount of healing done by a scroll? As I can see it, possibilities are 3: Augment Healing bonus is added when spell is scribed. (Spell scriber has the feat.) Augment Healing bonus is added when spell is cast. (Spell caster has the feat.) Augment Healing doesn't affect the spell. As I see it, option 2 would be most reasonable: Feat signifies character's aptitude for wielding the healing magic, and that aptitude augments the spell. Reason why I don't like option 1: A spell-scriber with Augment Healing feat would be producing very sought-after scrolls, due to their increased efficiency. Reason why I don't like option 3: Well, using scroll is same as casting the spell, according to D&D. Having a spell-casting feat not apply diminishes the power of the spell. Note : I suspect same would apply to any other spell-affecting feat and scrolls: I.e. does Spell Focus or Spell Penetration affect a scroll-cast spell? Or can one scribe a scroll of i.e. Silent Fireball?
Seeker95 09-21-06, 01:44 PM	All three are correct in their proper context. For the purposes of a scroll, the answers are 1 and 3. If the scroll was scribed with the Feat applied, then it always there. If the scroll was not scribed with the Feat applied, it is never there.
Seeker95 09-21-06, 01:46 PM	Reason why I don't like option 3: Well, using scroll is same as casting the spell, according to D&D.Not at all. Using a scroll eliminates the need for the caster to have material components, focus, or experience point cost. Using a scroll eliminates the need to be of sufficient level to cast the spell. Using a scroll eliminates the need to have an open spell slot. The only thing "the same" is the effect.
KmartKommando 09-22-06, 05:12 PM	Not at all. Using a scroll eliminates the need for the caster to have material components, focus, or experience point cost. Using a scroll eliminates the need to be of sufficient level to cast the spell. Using a scroll eliminates the need to have an open spell slot. The only thing "the same" is the effect. It also eliminates all of the bonuses you had from a high casting stat. Leaving Augmented Healing in the scroll seems fine to me. You burned 2 feats to get there, and you're probably a healbot anyway, so might as well let you be good at your job. :P Besides, if you're making the scroll, then you're already spending the gold, XP, and material compnonents. No reason to penalise you further.
Seeker95 09-22-06, 06:35 PM	KartKommando, I am trying to place your comments into the topic. A scroll user cannot add the augment healing feat effect to a scroll he is using. He can only add it when creating the scroll.
Someone 09-23-06, 12:21 AM	I would rule that the resultant augmented scroll would cost more to create. Say, about the same as a scroll at +2 caster level.
Seeker95 09-23-06, 07:50 AM	Someone, I agree with you, and simply had not even considered that anyone would think otherwise. Adding feat effects at the time of creation inherently increases the cost. However, in examining the feat more closely, I realize it does nothing to the slot required in the casting. Good catch!