Awesome Spell Combo Question [Archive] - Wizards Community

Awesome Spell Combo Question [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
getrichordietrying
12-23-04, 12:18 PM Hi guys

need help

psion warrior died in adventure and cleric rescued him with (in my opinion)
awesome spell combo.

first he cast Ravenence (miniatures handbook: target character gets half hit points ressurected and can continue fighting for 1min/clvl but after the spell ends he dies, during the spell others cannot cast raise dead or sth the like)

and now it comes

second after he dies because of the end of revenence he uses REVIVIFY (complete divine spell: character is resurrected like raise dead spell but must be cast within one round)

is that possible ????????????

in my opinion its too strong, cause the cleric only need a 4th and 5th level spell in case of a 9th level or 7th level spell

that cant be right!!!

help me guys and explain how these spells really function

cya
Ilium
12-23-04, 12:34 PM Maybe I'm misunderstanding but I don't see the problem. Raise Dead is a 5th level spell. Why is Revivify better?

Seems fine to me.
getrichordietrying
12-23-04, 01:10 PM the problem is that this combo is nearly the same effect like true ressurection

cause you do not lose a level with revivify
mr.unknown
12-23-04, 01:24 PM if your psi-war died (as in DEAD dead, not just negatives) before revanance was cast, i would judge that the time of actual death was the round prior to revanance being cast. therefore, regardless of whether that psi-war is being artificially kept alive by a spell, i would say revivfy therefore cannot apply because the time that past after the time of actual death was more than 1 round.

but on the other hand... what's the exact wording of revanance? do we actually have to consider someone who's under the effect to be "ALIVE"? or do we consider the affected char. to have the ability to ACT LIKE he/she was alive, but isn't actually alive?

btw, why can't that CLR simply cast revivfy in the first place? did the situation not permit it? or did he figure it out too late?
Phrennzy
12-23-04, 01:46 PM That's what you get for using spells from Non-Core stuff, esp. the Miniatures Handbook.

And Raise Dead is 5th, as is pointed out, so what is the difference?
Ilium
12-23-04, 01:46 PM the problem is that this combo is nearly the same effect like true ressurection

cause you do not lose a level with revivify

Ah. Thanks for the clarification. I don't have Complete Divine.
getrichordietrying
12-23-04, 03:02 PM the cleric was too late to cast revivify 1 round after death occurs

to Mr. Unknown: yeah thats a very good point

now we must have the exact wording of revenance

but i think you could be right

to Phrennzy: i played since the beginning revised ed. and i like the new 3.5 system much more.... cause it offers more complex roleplay and combat in every aspect....
and the books, like the complete series is in my opinion much better than the crappy stuff like "tome and blood" or "song and silence"

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
getrichordietrying 12-23-04, 12:18 PM	Hi guys need help psion warrior died in adventure and cleric rescued him with (in my opinion) awesome spell combo. first he cast Ravenence (miniatures handbook: target character gets half hit points ressurected and can continue fighting for 1min/clvl but after the spell ends he dies, during the spell others cannot cast raise dead or sth the like) and now it comes second after he dies because of the end of revenence he uses REVIVIFY (complete divine spell: character is resurrected like raise dead spell but must be cast within one round) is that possible ???????????? in my opinion its too strong, cause the cleric only need a 4th and 5th level spell in case of a 9th level or 7th level spell that cant be right!!! help me guys and explain how these spells really function cya
Ilium 12-23-04, 12:34 PM	Maybe I'm misunderstanding but I don't see the problem. Raise Dead is a 5th level spell. Why is Revivify better? Seems fine to me.
getrichordietrying 12-23-04, 01:10 PM	the problem is that this combo is nearly the same effect like true ressurection cause you do not lose a level with revivify
mr.unknown 12-23-04, 01:24 PM	if your psi-war died (as in DEAD dead, not just negatives) before revanance was cast, i would judge that the time of actual death was the round prior to revanance being cast. therefore, regardless of whether that psi-war is being artificially kept alive by a spell, i would say revivfy therefore cannot apply because the time that past after the time of actual death was more than 1 round. but on the other hand... what's the exact wording of revanance? do we actually have to consider someone who's under the effect to be "ALIVE"? or do we consider the affected char. to have the ability to ACT LIKE he/she was alive, but isn't actually alive? btw, why can't that CLR simply cast revivfy in the first place? did the situation not permit it? or did he figure it out too late?
Phrennzy 12-23-04, 01:46 PM	That's what you get for using spells from Non-Core stuff, esp. the Miniatures Handbook. And Raise Dead is 5th, as is pointed out, so what is the difference?
Ilium 12-23-04, 01:46 PM	the problem is that this combo is nearly the same effect like true ressurection cause you do not lose a level with revivify Ah. Thanks for the clarification. I don't have Complete Divine.
getrichordietrying 12-23-04, 03:02 PM	the cleric was too late to cast revivify 1 round after death occurs to Mr. Unknown: yeah thats a very good point now we must have the exact wording of revenance but i think you could be right to Phrennzy: i played since the beginning revised ed. and i like the new 3.5 system much more.... cause it offers more complex roleplay and combat in every aspect.... and the books, like the complete series is in my opinion much better than the crappy stuff like "tome and blood" or "song and silence"