Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Arkonth 06-19-05, 12:17 PM	I keep hearing that Word of Change is permanent version of baleful polymorph, when I could have sworn baleful polymorph was pemanent already. From the SRD Baleful Polymorph Transmutation Level: Drd 5, Sor/Wiz 5 Components: V, S Casting Time: 1 standard action Range: Close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels) Target: One creature Duration: Permanent Saving Throw: Fortitude negates, Will partial; see text Spell Resistance: Yes So what am I missing, what's the way out of baleful polymorph as it is? As far as I can tell Word of Change just allows the target an extra save to return to normal, making it weaker than baleful polymorph. I imagine there's something painfully obvious I'm just not seeing, so does anyone know what I'm missing?
bave 06-19-05, 12:54 PM	Baleful can be dispelled, among many other things.
Vanigo 06-19-05, 04:26 PM	Baleful can be dispelled, among many other things. And word of changing can't? The only difference is that word of changing allows a second save 24 hours later and baleful polymorph doesn't. And yes, this does make [i]word of changing[i] strictly inferior aside from the higher save DC.
Odin_666 06-19-05, 04:30 PM	where is word of change from?
Arkonth 06-19-05, 04:34 PM	Word of Change is a Warlock invocation.
Drachasor 06-19-05, 05:32 PM	And word of changing can't? The only difference is that word of changing allows a second save 24 hours later and baleful polymorph doesn't. And yes, this does make [i]word of changing[i] strictly inferior aside from the higher save DC. Except it doesn't have a higher save DC, even though Word of Change is a Dark Invocation it still only has a spell level of 5. -Drachasor
RaspK FOG 06-19-05, 05:55 PM	Except it doesn't have a higher save DC, even though Word of Change is a Dark Invocation it still only has a spell level of 5. -DrachasorI, in the end, find this normal; since warlocks can fire off invocations rather, well, easilly, it's only normal for them to have less powerful abilities in some areas than sorcerers and wizards...
Drachasor 06-19-05, 06:10 PM	I, in the end, find this normal; since warlocks can fire off invocations rather, well, easilly, it's only normal for them to have less powerful abilities in some areas than sorcerers and wizards... In almost all areas really. The Warlock has perhaps three advantages over the wizard or sorcerer. 1. His self-buffs last all day, so he has them up if he is surprised. Usually the Wizard has a lot of buffs like this too though (but not everything, like see invisibility or the like. A middling advantage at best. 2. He can use a wider variety of magical items, and make a wider variety. This is probably the biggest advantage, and very handy. 3. He can go on all day and night. This isn't that big a deal, since what matters in a day is typically only 10-20 rounds of combat (in terms of firepower). He does have the "I don't need to sleep" thing going for him in this though. Comes up now and then. In all other ways (versatility, raw power, preparing proper countermeasures for the enemy) the Wizard is far, far superior and the Sorcerer is far superior (Sorc isn't as good at proper countermeasures as the Wizard). -Drachasor