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bane arrows [Archive] - Wizards Community

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PeEll
03-02-08, 02:23 PM spells and strategies to combat the magic of a bow plus 2 of drow bane.
Also how do the bonuses stack on a magical bow, plus 2, with magical arrows plus 3, and strength bonus of 3.
Seeker95
03-02-08, 03:47 PM 1. The same way you counter every other arrow effect: Don't get hit.

2. Add the strength bonus (assuming the bow is of the type that includes strength) to the higher of the bow or arrow magic. Bows and arrows +'s do not stack.
Kouk
03-02-08, 05:06 PM Hehe, Seeker is right.

Both the bow and the arrows have enhancement bonuses, which do not stack. You would use the higher value.

If you are using Arrows +3 with Drow Bane on top, then you use the +3 bonus on most creatures, but against Drow the arrow would have a +5 enhancement bonus because of the Bane property. The bow's +2 enhancement bonus doesn't do anything for that arrow.

Your Strength bonus applies as normal, but if the arrow has a higher enhancement bonus than the bow, you ignore the bow's enhancement bonus.

Note however, that it is only the enhancement bonuses which don't stack. If you had a +2 Shocking Longbow, all arrows you fire from it would gain the +1d6 electricity damage in addition to whatever else they do. (Though it is a bit fuzzy whether you could stack that with arrows with the Shock property by themselves, or Shocking Burst).

In general, it is better to enchant your bow with the higher +enhancement bonuses, and if you use magical arrows just leave them as +1 and add any other effect you want to add. Magic ammo is more expensive in the long run.
mvincent
03-04-08, 01:15 PM Bows and arrows +'s do not stack.Correct, but whether the bane ability stacks with the higher of the two is subject to interpretation. The bane description says that ranged weapons "bestow the bane quality upon their ammunition" and "Against its designated foe, its effective enhancement bonus is +2 better than its normal enhancement bonus".

This means that a +2 bane bow firing a +3 arrow would result in a +3 bane arrow... which can be interpreted as +5 vs. a bane designated foe (this is the interpretation I personally would use).
Seeker95
03-04-08, 01:52 PM As would I. I would find it odd that one would consider such a rule to be subject to interpretation.
mvincent
03-04-08, 03:02 PM As would I.Ok, cool. I initially wasn't sure if your stacking comment was leaning that way.

I would find it odd that one would consider such a rule to be subject to interpretation.Ah... my bad... the actual debate (here (http://www.enworld.org/showthread.php?p=3162768)) was whether say, a +2 bane arrow fired from a +3 bow would become +5 vs. a designated foe.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
PeEll 03-02-08, 02:23 PM	spells and strategies to combat the magic of a bow plus 2 of drow bane. Also how do the bonuses stack on a magical bow, plus 2, with magical arrows plus 3, and strength bonus of 3.
Seeker95 03-02-08, 03:47 PM	1. The same way you counter every other arrow effect: Don't get hit. 2. Add the strength bonus (assuming the bow is of the type that includes strength) to the higher of the bow or arrow magic. Bows and arrows +'s do not stack.
Kouk 03-02-08, 05:06 PM	Hehe, Seeker is right. Both the bow and the arrows have enhancement bonuses, which do not stack. You would use the higher value. If you are using Arrows +3 with Drow Bane on top, then you use the +3 bonus on most creatures, but against Drow the arrow would have a +5 enhancement bonus because of the Bane property. The bow's +2 enhancement bonus doesn't do anything for that arrow. Your Strength bonus applies as normal, but if the arrow has a higher enhancement bonus than the bow, you ignore the bow's enhancement bonus. Note however, that it is only the enhancement bonuses which don't stack. If you had a +2 Shocking Longbow, all arrows you fire from it would gain the +1d6 electricity damage in addition to whatever else they do. (Though it is a bit fuzzy whether you could stack that with arrows with the Shock property by themselves, or Shocking Burst). In general, it is better to enchant your bow with the higher +enhancement bonuses, and if you use magical arrows just leave them as +1 and add any other effect you want to add. Magic ammo is more expensive in the long run.
mvincent 03-04-08, 01:15 PM	Bows and arrows +'s do not stack.Correct, but whether the bane ability stacks with the higher of the two is subject to interpretation. The bane description says that ranged weapons "bestow the bane quality upon their ammunition" and "Against its designated foe, its effective enhancement bonus is +2 better than its normal enhancement bonus". This means that a +2 bane bow firing a +3 arrow would result in a +3 bane arrow... which can be interpreted as +5 vs. a bane designated foe (this is the interpretation I personally would use).
Seeker95 03-04-08, 01:52 PM	As would I. I would find it odd that one would consider such a rule to be subject to interpretation.
mvincent 03-04-08, 03:02 PM	As would I.Ok, cool. I initially wasn't sure if your stacking comment was leaning that way. I would find it odd that one would consider such a rule to be subject to interpretation.Ah... my bad... the actual debate (here (http://www.enworld.org/showthread.php?p=3162768)) was whether say, a +2 bane arrow fired from a +3 bow would become +5 vs. a designated foe.