Bead of Healing [Archive] - Wizards Community

Bead of Healing [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Ascian
03-10-04, 10:32 AM Can anybody account for the cost of a Bead of Healing from a Lesser Strand of Prayer Beads? I'm having a difficult time figuring out why it costs as it does. A spell of its level would cost 6,000gp on a slotted item, which I do not believe Prayer Beads are, meaning the cost would have to be boosted to 12,000gp. However, that's not accounting for the Remove Blindness/Deafness and Remove Disease options, which I would imagine would raise the price even further.

So why does it cost only 9,000gp?

Help greatly appreciated, as I'm trying to figure out how to create a Cure Serious Wounds version, priced to scale.
Everach
03-10-04, 04:03 PM Originally posted by Ascian
Can anybody account for the cost of a Bead of Healing from a Lesser Strand of Prayer Beads?

Prayer beads are part of a necklace, and are considered an uncustomary space limitation as a result.

It allows cure serious wounds (3), remove blindness/deafness(3) or remove disease(3) once per day. All spells are at 5th level of ability. All for 9000gp.

This is treated as a single 3rd level spell at 5th level in an uncustomary space, once per day, or ((3 x 5 x 2000)*1.5)/5 or 9000gp.

It is not considered to have multiple spells (and thus does not pay a x2 multiplier) because you can only use one of the three spells one/day. If you could use all three once per day, it would cost (((3x5x2000)*1.5)*2)/5 or 18,000gp.

Help greatly appreciated, as I'm trying to figure out how to create a Cure Serious Wounds version, priced to scale.

It already is cure serious wounds. Unless I totally missed something in your post.
Ascian
03-10-04, 04:41 PM [Post edited because either Ascian misread, the previous post was unclear, or a bit of both]

All right, I suppose I can get with that. But I am surprised that the additional abilities, though they cannot be cast in the same day, don't add to the cost. If this is truly the case, could one not theoretically create a Bead of Third-Level Spells that has the ability to cast any third-level spell, but only once per day, for the same price as a Bead of Healing?

I simply haven't seen anything in the books that covers that, and would appreciate it if you could educate me.
Everach
03-10-04, 04:47 PM Originally posted by Ascian
I'm afraid I don't see that you've explained the 9,000gp price, though. You gave the appropriate equation for it to cost 6,000gp, as an item of its spell/caster level, but I still don't understand how it jumps up to being a 9,000gp item.

That's because I left a typo in my post. Check it now.
Ascian
03-10-04, 04:50 PM Damn, meant to get to my post before you saw it. And for posterity, my original post meant to say Cure /Critical/ Wounds. My wholly rewritten reply's question still stands though.
Everach
03-10-04, 05:05 PM Originally posted by Ascian
All right, I suppose I can get with that. But I am surprised that the additional abilities, though they cannot be cast in the same day, don't add to the cost.

They don't because a) they're the same level, and b) they're all related.

As a DM, I would use 3 spells as the max for this kind of item. But there's no rule against doing a bead that allows any 1 3rd level spell 1/day.

No DM worth his salt would allow it though.
Ascian
03-10-04, 05:15 PM I don't suppose you've got a page number to reference that? I could have sworn multiple similar abilities put a 1.5x multiplier on all abilities after the first, and multiple dissimilar abilities had a 2x multiplier on secondary abilities.
Everach
03-10-04, 07:17 PM Originally posted by Ascian
...multiple similar abilities put a 1.5x multiplier on all abilities after the first, and multiple dissimilar abilities had a 2x multiplier on secondary abilities.

I'm using the chart in the DMG v3.5 on pg 285.

Similar and dissimilar abilities doesn't ring a bell.
Ascian
03-10-04, 07:27 PM But that chart says that 'multiple different abilities' call for the higher item cost to be multiplied by two. Though I'm not entirely certain what even *that* means.
Everach
03-10-04, 09:13 PM Originally posted by Ascian
But that chart says that 'multiple different abilities' call for the higher item cost to be multiplied by two. Though I'm not entirely certain what even *that* means.

multiple means more than one use
different abilities refers to different spells

If your item can only cast one of three possible spells per charge (and in this case the charge is daily), then it has different abilities but not multiple. Because you can only use one of them per charge.

Hope that helps.
Ascian
03-10-04, 09:48 PM Thank you very much for indulging my curiosity. If I might impose one final question, where did you find these definitions of 'multiple' and 'different'? I've never seen them before.

Thanks again for helping me out.
Everach
03-11-04, 08:50 AM Originally posted by Ascian
...where did you find these definitions of 'multiple' and 'different'? I've never seen them before.

Webster's :) Its not clearly defined in the DMG.

Wizards was kind enough to provide a chart for making magic items and then immediately made a number of magic items that don't conform 100% to the chart, like this prayer bead.

Hope that helps.
Ascian
03-11-04, 09:32 AM That does help. Thanks again for your patience, you've been more than fair.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Ascian 03-10-04, 10:32 AM	Can anybody account for the cost of a Bead of Healing from a Lesser Strand of Prayer Beads? I'm having a difficult time figuring out why it costs as it does. A spell of its level would cost 6,000gp on a slotted item, which I do not believe Prayer Beads are, meaning the cost would have to be boosted to 12,000gp. However, that's not accounting for the Remove Blindness/Deafness and Remove Disease options, which I would imagine would raise the price even further. So why does it cost only 9,000gp? Help greatly appreciated, as I'm trying to figure out how to create a Cure Serious Wounds version, priced to scale.
Everach 03-10-04, 04:03 PM	Originally posted by Ascian Can anybody account for the cost of a Bead of Healing from a Lesser Strand of Prayer Beads? Prayer beads are part of a necklace, and are considered an uncustomary space limitation as a result. It allows cure serious wounds (3), remove blindness/deafness(3) or remove disease(3) once per day. All spells are at 5th level of ability. All for 9000gp. This is treated as a single 3rd level spell at 5th level in an uncustomary space, once per day, or ((3 x 5 x 2000)1.5)/5 or 9000gp. It is not considered to have multiple spells (and thus does not pay a x2 multiplier) because you can only use one of the three spells one/day. If you could use all three once per day, it would cost (((3x5x2000)1.5)*2)/5 or 18,000gp. Help greatly appreciated, as I'm trying to figure out how to create a Cure Serious Wounds version, priced to scale. It already is cure serious wounds. Unless I totally missed something in your post.
Ascian 03-10-04, 04:41 PM	[Post edited because either Ascian misread, the previous post was unclear, or a bit of both] All right, I suppose I can get with that. But I am surprised that the additional abilities, though they cannot be cast in the same day, don't add to the cost. If this is truly the case, could one not theoretically create a Bead of Third-Level Spells that has the ability to cast any third-level spell, but only once per day, for the same price as a Bead of Healing? I simply haven't seen anything in the books that covers that, and would appreciate it if you could educate me.
Everach 03-10-04, 04:47 PM	Originally posted by Ascian I'm afraid I don't see that you've explained the 9,000gp price, though. You gave the appropriate equation for it to cost 6,000gp, as an item of its spell/caster level, but I still don't understand how it jumps up to being a 9,000gp item. That's because I left a typo in my post. Check it now.
Ascian 03-10-04, 04:50 PM	Damn, meant to get to my post before you saw it. And for posterity, my original post meant to say Cure /Critical/ Wounds. My wholly rewritten reply's question still stands though.
Everach 03-10-04, 05:05 PM	Originally posted by Ascian All right, I suppose I can get with that. But I am surprised that the additional abilities, though they cannot be cast in the same day, don't add to the cost. They don't because a) they're the same level, and b) they're all related. As a DM, I would use 3 spells as the max for this kind of item. But there's no rule against doing a bead that allows any 1 3rd level spell 1/day. No DM worth his salt would allow it though.
Ascian 03-10-04, 05:15 PM	I don't suppose you've got a page number to reference that? I could have sworn multiple similar abilities put a 1.5x multiplier on all abilities after the first, and multiple dissimilar abilities had a 2x multiplier on secondary abilities.
Everach 03-10-04, 07:17 PM	Originally posted by Ascian ...multiple similar abilities put a 1.5x multiplier on all abilities after the first, and multiple dissimilar abilities had a 2x multiplier on secondary abilities. I'm using the chart in the DMG v3.5 on pg 285. Similar and dissimilar abilities doesn't ring a bell.
Ascian 03-10-04, 07:27 PM	But that chart says that 'multiple different abilities' call for the higher item cost to be multiplied by two. Though I'm not entirely certain what even that means.
Everach 03-10-04, 09:13 PM	Originally posted by Ascian But that chart says that 'multiple different abilities' call for the higher item cost to be multiplied by two. Though I'm not entirely certain what even that means. multiple means more than one use different abilities refers to different spells If your item can only cast one of three possible spells per charge (and in this case the charge is daily), then it has different abilities but not multiple. Because you can only use one of them per charge. Hope that helps.
Ascian 03-10-04, 09:48 PM	Thank you very much for indulging my curiosity. If I might impose one final question, where did you find these definitions of 'multiple' and 'different'? I've never seen them before. Thanks again for helping me out.
Everach 03-11-04, 08:50 AM	Originally posted by Ascian ...where did you find these definitions of 'multiple' and 'different'? I've never seen them before. Webster's :) Its not clearly defined in the DMG. Wizards was kind enough to provide a chart for making magic items and then immediately made a number of magic items that don't conform 100% to the chart, like this prayer bead. Hope that helps.
Ascian 03-11-04, 09:32 AM	That does help. Thanks again for your patience, you've been more than fair.