Best "Buffing" Spells? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Best "Buffing" Spells? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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gfreese
11-10-06, 12:58 PM What do you feel like are the best "buffing" spells available in DnD 3.5?

Please consider: melee, offense, defense, duration, stat pumpers, everything.

I know the "Spell Compendium" and "Races" books have a lot of good things to offer a high level spellcaster/melee combatant...

I'm really curious to get insights from more experienced players.

Greg
Someone
11-10-06, 01:09 PM I'd say haste. You get movement speed, a bonus to hit, AC, and reflex saves, and an extra attack at full attack. And this can affect a lot of people.

In my opinion, the "best" buffs are the ones that can affect more than one person.
tarkin
11-10-06, 01:14 PM Enlarge Person.

The increased reach alone makes it one cool buff.

The boost to damage, grapple, sunder, trip, and disarm are just gravy on top of that.
crowclub
11-10-06, 01:18 PM Yeah, Haste has got alot going for it.

If you're a Paladin or Cleric or Favoured Soul then Divine Favour is nice.

If you're a Cleric or Favoured Soul then Righteous Might

Others include Protection from >X<, Mage Armour, Shield of Faith and Bull's Strength
gfreese
11-10-06, 01:31 PM Imagine you were 20th level, could cast any spell in the book, and had to survive a multi-encounter dungeon all by yourself. Then what would you cast.

Shapechange, Greater Mage Armor, Resist Energy, Barkskin, etc?
TheCobra
11-10-06, 01:45 PM Mass conviction is something every adventuring party should have on all the time in any dangerous area. It's a only a 3rd-level spell and lasts forever (10 min/level). At caster level 12, the bonus on saving throws goes up to +4. That can make a big difference.
DarkRhystar
11-10-06, 05:29 PM Dolorous Blow and Divine Agility (SpC version) are nice.
Living Undeath can be particularly brutal.
Life's Grace gives plenty bang for your buck.
Greater Invisibility and Greater Blink are neat.
RellenMarn
11-10-06, 05:38 PM Well if your DM gets rid of spell components - like one of mine does - then Stoneskin becomes very useful....
Osedox
11-10-06, 06:12 PM Elemental Body
Ironguard
Spell Turning
Polymorph
Fires of Purity
Bite of the Weretiger/bear
Deathward
JellyPooga
11-10-06, 08:36 PM For Fighter types (esp. Monks) with a spellcaster dip, Fist of Stone (Complete Arcane) is great. Can't complain with +6 Str for a 1st level spell, even if it is only for 1 minute. Good for Kobolds doing the whole Rite of Draconic Passage thing or taking the Sorcerer Substitution level that gives you a SLA (at least until you can upgrade to a 2nd level SLA).
FeceMan
11-10-06, 08:50 PM Don't forget greater mighty whallop.
Trondant
11-10-06, 09:41 PM my wizard has an empowerd greater mage armor and an empowered shield prepared by default. they are nice as personal buffs, but the best buffs are still polymorph and haste due to versatility
The Simbul
11-10-06, 10:03 PM Greater Heroism: +4 morale bonus to attack rolls, saving throws, and skill checks; up to 20 temporary hp; immunity to fear. A +4 bonus to all of the above combined with the type of bonus makes it an incredible spell, since it will stack with just about anything, as there are very few spells, effects, or items that give morale bonuses, especially bonuses that high. This is especially true when there isnt a Bard in the party.

Chasing Perfection: +4 enhancement bonus to all ability scores (correct??..i dont own the Spell Compendium) seems extremely useful to me, especially when you are short on time for buffing the party and if you are a sorcerer and thus have limited spells known. Now if only it also allowed you to substitute it for any of the crafting prerequisites for items like gloves of dexterity or cloak of charisma, then I am sure it would be perfect.

Shapechange: Self explanatory..the ability to borrow any creatures physical ability scores, Supernatural, and Extraordinary abilities alone makes it one of the best buffs in the game...add in a 10 minute per level duraction and the ability to change form once per round and it gets even better.
runestar
11-10-06, 11:41 PM Heroes feat could be worth it at higher lvs, when you are able to spare a 6th lv cleric slot. Immunity to fear/poison and misc bonuses are quite nice, and they last for 12 hours too(24 if you extend it).:)

Mindblank should be a staple at higher lvs(partly why I like the sorc, they get so many slots). Flat out immunity to enchantment effects(among other things).:cool:

Craft magic tattoo is not a bad spell as well, despite its annoying material component. It lasts for 24 hours(2 days if you extend it), so the 100gp cost doesn't seem to steep suddenly...+1 caster lv is always nice...
Nessaj
11-13-06, 03:03 PM my wizard has an empowerd greater mage armor and an empowered shield prepared by default.

Fraid you can't empower those. You can, however, extend them.

My Favorite Buffs (that haven't been mentioned already):

Heart of Earth: It's like Stoneskin, only better. Lasts 1 Hr/Level, gives +8 to bull rushes, disarms, and trips, and temporary hp equal to twice your caster level. You can then expend it as a swift action to gain Stoneskin for 1 round per level. With no material cost. Level 4, Complete Mage. The other Heart spells are worth checking out as well.

Protection from X: Mini-mind blank, as well as bonuses to AC and a resistance bonus to saves. Evil is the popular choice, considering most PC's are, well...GOOD. Good spell to extend.

Tenser's Transformation: Who cares if you can't cast spells? Sometimes, you really need a melee presence.

Prismatic Sphere: Just read the spell.
Esponer
11-13-06, 03:07 PM Probably necrotic empowerment (Libris Mortis), offhand. I say that from the perspective of using Persistent Spell and Divine Metamagic, however.
Arien_Drajanuma
11-13-06, 03:13 PM And please do not underestimate mirror image and greater mirror image. Those can really save your life, specially if you have a good number of images!
BW0222
11-13-06, 03:21 PM gfreese,

Defensive
Antilife Shell
Stone Skin
Fires Shield
Displacement
Invisibility Sphere
Mirror Image
Resist Energy
Protection from Evil/Good

Offensive/Defensive
Animal Growth (companion)
Improved Invisibility
Haste

Offensive
Polymorph
Silence (on a fighter types)
Darkness (on certain fighter types)
Magic Weapon
Produce Flame
TheCobra
11-13-06, 04:00 PM Flat out immunity to enchantment effects(among other things).

Which means (I think) it stops other good buffs, such as greater heroism.
Gnarl
11-13-06, 04:12 PM The spells my players use the most are:

Multiple targets
Haste
Righteous Wrath of the Faithfull
Recitation
Prayer (at lower levels)
Mass Resist Energy
Mass Conviction (this is a killer one)

They usually have mass conviction and mass resist energy running very early in dungeon crawl situations and they usually last until they rest. The cleric usually starts fights using recitation or righteous might of the faithfull.

Single Target
Greater Enlarge
Greater Mage Armor
Dragonsight
Barkskin
Greater Resistance
Stoneskin

Stupid wizard casts greater enlarge on the fighter every single day... it makes my life as a DM so much harder. The most annoying one in the list is by far Dragonsight.

Pacts
Death Pact
Stalwart Pact

These are simply great. They don't look like much but they saved them more than once.

Luckly they haven't found brilliant blade yet which is another very good 'buff' spell against armored opponents, especially the multiple target version. My personal favourite buff is elemental body.

[Edit:] Changes a spell name that was wrong.
crowclub
11-13-06, 06:00 PM And please do not underestimate mirror image and greater mirror image. Those can really save your life, specially if you have a good number of images!

Agreed, both are amazing. I'd rank Alter Self the same (Crucian +8AC, Trog +6AC)
Dheran
11-14-06, 07:19 AM Mobility is good. Longstrider gives you +10' land movement, for hours. Alter Self will let you adopt a bunch of creature forms that have good mobility:

Varag (MM4): 60' base land speed
Black Scale Lizardfolk (MM3): only 40' land speed, but large size and +7 natural armor
Locathah: swim 60'
Asabi (MoF): land 50’, burrow 20’
Avariel (RoF): fly 50'
Mountain Spirit Folk (UE): climb 30’
Bopple
11-14-06, 07:40 AM 3 must have buffs;
Death Ward
Freedom of Movement
Mind Blank
Orchomenos
11-15-06, 03:52 PM Enlarge Person.

The increased reach alone makes it one cool buff.

The boost to damage, grapple, sunder, trip, and disarm are just gravy on top of that.

The psionic version, Expansion, is even better. It can be augmented to enlarge you of 2 size categories. It makes the average human huge.
sigma999
11-15-06, 07:01 PM For the higher levels, an Extended or Persistant "Chasing Perfection".
Adds 4 to all stats. Got to be ba-ro-ken...
worst_player_ever
11-15-06, 09:07 PM :eek: I can't believe nobody mentioned these spells.

GHOSTFORM sor/wiz 8. (Spell Compendium)
You basically become a manifesting ghost with lots, LOTS of advantages.
Just read the description!!!!!

RAY DEFLECTION sor/wiz 4 . (Spell Compendium)
You become IMMUNE o_O to ALL ranged touch attacks , inclunding rays.
Just by using a 4 lvl spellslot.

GREATER DIMENTION DOOR (Spell Compendium) & DIMENSION JUMPER (Complete Mage) Sor/wiz 5
Nuke and teleport once x round. How cool is that?????
runestar
11-15-06, 09:43 PM Righteous might is great for your party fighter if you have rings of spell storing to pass around.:)
The rage spell stacks with a barb rage, if you ever need an extra +2str/con.
Divine power(again, ring of spell storing) puts monks on par with fighters bab wise.
Divine favour is just awesome for its spell lv.
Which means (I think) it stops other good buffs, such as greater heroism.
Yeah, well, that is a drawback, but one I can live with.:)
Gnarl
11-16-06, 02:46 PM Divine power(again, ring of spell storing) puts monks on par with fighters bab wise.

It's not that great. Remember this:

Each spell has a caster level equal to the minimum level needed to cast that
HeroOfthePeople
11-16-06, 03:27 PM Mage armor
Sheild
Polymorph
shapechange
Haste
Greater mighty wallop
sense of the dragon
Steal size
enlarge person

those are some pretty good ones.
runestar
11-16-06, 09:56 PM It's not that great. Remember this:
Yeah, but divine power's main effect(bab = character lv) is independent of caster lv. It lasts for 7 minutes, combat will be long over by then.;) Solves the problem of TWFing rogues and monks having sub par BAB.:P
TheCobra
11-16-06, 10:07 PM Yeah, well, that is a drawback, but one I can live with.

Of course. The spell is amazing. Too good, really. As if enchanters didn't have enough to worry about with undead, constructs, vermin, and the like.

On the other hand, some of the enchantment spells out of the Spell Compendium (such as final rebuke and wrathful castigation) are terrifying. So mind blank is more required than ever.
Dheran
11-17-06, 10:21 AM For the higher levels, an Extended or Persistant "Chasing Perfection".
Adds 4 to all stats. Got to be ba-ro-ken... Broken? I don't think so. A Persistent version of Chasing Perfection requires a 12th level spell slot, so it's not exactly cheap. And a single targeted Dispel Magic can wipe out all your buffs at once. Talk about putting all your eggs in one basket ...
MagicJuggler
11-17-06, 01:07 PM Alter Self is a particularly useful ability if you already have decent ability scores.

"Why yes, I have a...(searches through list) +6 natural armor bonus. So you miss me.
TheCobra
11-17-06, 01:19 PM Yeah, alter self is also great for getting racial skill bonus, such as from a Skulk.
El_Machinae
11-17-06, 01:48 PM Polymorph any Object. It can be precast, and many 'base' forms are much more powerful than a normal race.
runestar
11-18-06, 03:53 AM Yeah, alter self is also great for getting racial skill bonus, such as from a Skulk.
You can also use alter self to transform into a human, getting a free floating feat....:P
[GSV] Kirstar
11-18-06, 08:04 AM Mindblank.

They should modify the wizard class to say when you gain your first 8th level spell it will be mindblank. would be more honest
Max the Immortal
11-18-06, 10:55 AM I'm a little surprised that nobody has mentioned Energy Immunity (Spell Compendium) yet. It gives the subject total immunity to one form of energy for a full 24 hours. It's a great candidate for Scribe Scroll, or you can even cast it the night before a dungeon crawl for free.
Shatteredtower
11-18-06, 11:51 AM Chasing Perfection: +4 enhancement bonus to all ability scores (correct??..i dont own the Spell Compendium)Correct on the effect, and the cost of the material component is trivial by the level at which you could cast it, but it's in Player's Handbook II, not Spell Compendium.
Osedox
11-18-06, 01:48 PM Its not that I think I cant afford it, I know I can. But that doesent change the fact that im a Miser at heart. It must be my dragon blood.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
gfreese 11-10-06, 12:58 PM	What do you feel like are the best "buffing" spells available in DnD 3.5? Please consider: melee, offense, defense, duration, stat pumpers, everything. I know the "Spell Compendium" and "Races" books have a lot of good things to offer a high level spellcaster/melee combatant... I'm really curious to get insights from more experienced players. Greg
Someone 11-10-06, 01:09 PM	I'd say haste. You get movement speed, a bonus to hit, AC, and reflex saves, and an extra attack at full attack. And this can affect a lot of people. In my opinion, the "best" buffs are the ones that can affect more than one person.
tarkin 11-10-06, 01:14 PM	Enlarge Person. The increased reach alone makes it one cool buff. The boost to damage, grapple, sunder, trip, and disarm are just gravy on top of that.
crowclub 11-10-06, 01:18 PM	Yeah, Haste has got alot going for it. If you're a Paladin or Cleric or Favoured Soul then Divine Favour is nice. If you're a Cleric or Favoured Soul then Righteous Might Others include Protection from >X<, Mage Armour, Shield of Faith and Bull's Strength
gfreese 11-10-06, 01:31 PM	Imagine you were 20th level, could cast any spell in the book, and had to survive a multi-encounter dungeon all by yourself. Then what would you cast. Shapechange, Greater Mage Armor, Resist Energy, Barkskin, etc?
TheCobra 11-10-06, 01:45 PM	Mass conviction is something every adventuring party should have on all the time in any dangerous area. It's a only a 3rd-level spell and lasts forever (10 min/level). At caster level 12, the bonus on saving throws goes up to +4. That can make a big difference.
DarkRhystar 11-10-06, 05:29 PM	Dolorous Blow and Divine Agility (SpC version) are nice. Living Undeath can be particularly brutal. Life's Grace gives plenty bang for your buck. Greater Invisibility and Greater Blink are neat.
RellenMarn 11-10-06, 05:38 PM	Well if your DM gets rid of spell components - like one of mine does - then Stoneskin becomes very useful....
Osedox 11-10-06, 06:12 PM	Elemental Body Ironguard Spell Turning Polymorph Fires of Purity Bite of the Weretiger/bear Deathward
JellyPooga 11-10-06, 08:36 PM	For Fighter types (esp. Monks) with a spellcaster dip, Fist of Stone (Complete Arcane) is great. Can't complain with +6 Str for a 1st level spell, even if it is only for 1 minute. Good for Kobolds doing the whole Rite of Draconic Passage thing or taking the Sorcerer Substitution level that gives you a SLA (at least until you can upgrade to a 2nd level SLA).
FeceMan 11-10-06, 08:50 PM	Don't forget greater mighty whallop.
Trondant 11-10-06, 09:41 PM	my wizard has an empowerd greater mage armor and an empowered shield prepared by default. they are nice as personal buffs, but the best buffs are still polymorph and haste due to versatility
The Simbul 11-10-06, 10:03 PM	Greater Heroism: +4 morale bonus to attack rolls, saving throws, and skill checks; up to 20 temporary hp; immunity to fear. A +4 bonus to all of the above combined with the type of bonus makes it an incredible spell, since it will stack with just about anything, as there are very few spells, effects, or items that give morale bonuses, especially bonuses that high. This is especially true when there isnt a Bard in the party. Chasing Perfection: +4 enhancement bonus to all ability scores (correct??..i dont own the Spell Compendium) seems extremely useful to me, especially when you are short on time for buffing the party and if you are a sorcerer and thus have limited spells known. Now if only it also allowed you to substitute it for any of the crafting prerequisites for items like gloves of dexterity or cloak of charisma, then I am sure it would be perfect. Shapechange: Self explanatory..the ability to borrow any creatures physical ability scores, Supernatural, and Extraordinary abilities alone makes it one of the best buffs in the game...add in a 10 minute per level duraction and the ability to change form once per round and it gets even better.
runestar 11-10-06, 11:41 PM	Heroes feat could be worth it at higher lvs, when you are able to spare a 6th lv cleric slot. Immunity to fear/poison and misc bonuses are quite nice, and they last for 12 hours too(24 if you extend it).:) Mindblank should be a staple at higher lvs(partly why I like the sorc, they get so many slots). Flat out immunity to enchantment effects(among other things).:cool: Craft magic tattoo is not a bad spell as well, despite its annoying material component. It lasts for 24 hours(2 days if you extend it), so the 100gp cost doesn't seem to steep suddenly...+1 caster lv is always nice...
Nessaj 11-13-06, 03:03 PM	my wizard has an empowerd greater mage armor and an empowered shield prepared by default. Fraid you can't empower those. You can, however, extend them. My Favorite Buffs (that haven't been mentioned already): Heart of Earth: It's like Stoneskin, only better. Lasts 1 Hr/Level, gives +8 to bull rushes, disarms, and trips, and temporary hp equal to twice your caster level. You can then expend it as a swift action to gain Stoneskin for 1 round per level. With no material cost. Level 4, Complete Mage. The other Heart spells are worth checking out as well. Protection from X: Mini-mind blank, as well as bonuses to AC and a resistance bonus to saves. Evil is the popular choice, considering most PC's are, well...GOOD. Good spell to extend. Tenser's Transformation: Who cares if you can't cast spells? Sometimes, you really need a melee presence. Prismatic Sphere: Just read the spell.
Esponer 11-13-06, 03:07 PM	Probably necrotic empowerment (Libris Mortis), offhand. I say that from the perspective of using Persistent Spell and Divine Metamagic, however.
Arien_Drajanuma 11-13-06, 03:13 PM	And please do not underestimate mirror image and greater mirror image. Those can really save your life, specially if you have a good number of images!
BW0222 11-13-06, 03:21 PM	gfreese, Defensive Antilife Shell Stone Skin Fires Shield Displacement Invisibility Sphere Mirror Image Resist Energy Protection from Evil/Good Offensive/Defensive Animal Growth (companion) Improved Invisibility Haste Offensive Polymorph Silence (on a fighter types) Darkness (on certain fighter types) Magic Weapon Produce Flame
TheCobra 11-13-06, 04:00 PM	Flat out immunity to enchantment effects(among other things). Which means (I think) it stops other good buffs, such as greater heroism.
Gnarl 11-13-06, 04:12 PM	The spells my players use the most are: Multiple targets Haste Righteous Wrath of the Faithfull Recitation Prayer (at lower levels) Mass Resist Energy Mass Conviction (this is a killer one) They usually have mass conviction and mass resist energy running very early in dungeon crawl situations and they usually last until they rest. The cleric usually starts fights using recitation or righteous might of the faithfull. Single Target Greater Enlarge Greater Mage Armor Dragonsight Barkskin Greater Resistance Stoneskin Stupid wizard casts greater enlarge on the fighter every single day... it makes my life as a DM so much harder. The most annoying one in the list is by far Dragonsight. Pacts Death Pact Stalwart Pact These are simply great. They don't look like much but they saved them more than once. Luckly they haven't found brilliant blade yet which is another very good 'buff' spell against armored opponents, especially the multiple target version. My personal favourite buff is elemental body. [Edit:] Changes a spell name that was wrong.
crowclub 11-13-06, 06:00 PM	And please do not underestimate mirror image and greater mirror image. Those can really save your life, specially if you have a good number of images! Agreed, both are amazing. I'd rank Alter Self the same (Crucian +8AC, Trog +6AC)
Dheran 11-14-06, 07:19 AM	Mobility is good. Longstrider gives you +10' land movement, for hours. Alter Self will let you adopt a bunch of creature forms that have good mobility: Varag (MM4): 60' base land speed Black Scale Lizardfolk (MM3): only 40' land speed, but large size and +7 natural armor Locathah: swim 60' Asabi (MoF): land 50’, burrow 20’ Avariel (RoF): fly 50' Mountain Spirit Folk (UE): climb 30’
Bopple 11-14-06, 07:40 AM	3 must have buffs; Death Ward Freedom of Movement Mind Blank
Orchomenos 11-15-06, 03:52 PM	Enlarge Person. The increased reach alone makes it one cool buff. The boost to damage, grapple, sunder, trip, and disarm are just gravy on top of that. The psionic version, Expansion, is even better. It can be augmented to enlarge you of 2 size categories. It makes the average human huge.
sigma999 11-15-06, 07:01 PM	For the higher levels, an Extended or Persistant "Chasing Perfection". Adds 4 to all stats. Got to be ba-ro-ken...
worst_player_ever 11-15-06, 09:07 PM	:eek: I can't believe nobody mentioned these spells. GHOSTFORM sor/wiz 8. (Spell Compendium) You basically become a manifesting ghost with lots, LOTS of advantages. Just read the description!!!!! RAY DEFLECTION sor/wiz 4 . (Spell Compendium) You become IMMUNE o_O to ALL ranged touch attacks , inclunding rays. Just by using a 4 lvl spellslot. GREATER DIMENTION DOOR (Spell Compendium) & DIMENSION JUMPER (Complete Mage) Sor/wiz 5 Nuke and teleport once x round. How cool is that?????
runestar 11-15-06, 09:43 PM	Righteous might is great for your party fighter if you have rings of spell storing to pass around.:) The rage spell stacks with a barb rage, if you ever need an extra +2str/con. Divine power(again, ring of spell storing) puts monks on par with fighters bab wise. Divine favour is just awesome for its spell lv. Which means (I think) it stops other good buffs, such as greater heroism. Yeah, well, that is a drawback, but one I can live with.:)
Gnarl 11-16-06, 02:46 PM	Divine power(again, ring of spell storing) puts monks on par with fighters bab wise. It's not that great. Remember this: Each spell has a caster level equal to the minimum level needed to cast that
HeroOfthePeople 11-16-06, 03:27 PM	Mage armor Sheild Polymorph shapechange Haste Greater mighty wallop sense of the dragon Steal size enlarge person those are some pretty good ones.
runestar 11-16-06, 09:56 PM	It's not that great. Remember this: Yeah, but divine power's main effect(bab = character lv) is independent of caster lv. It lasts for 7 minutes, combat will be long over by then.;) Solves the problem of TWFing rogues and monks having sub par BAB.:P
TheCobra 11-16-06, 10:07 PM	Yeah, well, that is a drawback, but one I can live with. Of course. The spell is amazing. Too good, really. As if enchanters didn't have enough to worry about with undead, constructs, vermin, and the like. On the other hand, some of the enchantment spells out of the Spell Compendium (such as final rebuke and wrathful castigation) are terrifying. So mind blank is more required than ever.
Dheran 11-17-06, 10:21 AM	For the higher levels, an Extended or Persistant "Chasing Perfection". Adds 4 to all stats. Got to be ba-ro-ken... Broken? I don't think so. A Persistent version of Chasing Perfection requires a 12th level spell slot, so it's not exactly cheap. And a single targeted Dispel Magic can wipe out all your buffs at once. Talk about putting all your eggs in one basket ...
MagicJuggler 11-17-06, 01:07 PM	Alter Self is a particularly useful ability if you already have decent ability scores. "Why yes, I have a...(searches through list) +6 natural armor bonus. So you miss me.
TheCobra 11-17-06, 01:19 PM	Yeah, alter self is also great for getting racial skill bonus, such as from a Skulk.
El_Machinae 11-17-06, 01:48 PM	Polymorph any Object. It can be precast, and many 'base' forms are much more powerful than a normal race.
runestar 11-18-06, 03:53 AM	Yeah, alter self is also great for getting racial skill bonus, such as from a Skulk. You can also use alter self to transform into a human, getting a free floating feat....:P
[GSV] Kirstar 11-18-06, 08:04 AM	Mindblank. They should modify the wizard class to say when you gain your first 8th level spell it will be mindblank. would be more honest
Max the Immortal 11-18-06, 10:55 AM	I'm a little surprised that nobody has mentioned Energy Immunity (Spell Compendium) yet. It gives the subject total immunity to one form of energy for a full 24 hours. It's a great candidate for Scribe Scroll, or you can even cast it the night before a dungeon crawl for free.
Shatteredtower 11-18-06, 11:51 AM	Chasing Perfection: +4 enhancement bonus to all ability scores (correct??..i dont own the Spell Compendium)Correct on the effect, and the cost of the material component is trivial by the level at which you could cast it, but it's in Player's Handbook II, not Spell Compendium.
Osedox 11-18-06, 01:48 PM	Its not that I think I cant afford it, I know I can. But that doesent change the fact that im a Miser at heart. It must be my dragon blood.