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SoulLord 05-20-05, 01:23 PM	shatter .... The chain of the chandelier above your enemy. Your enemy sword. Your enemy armor. The potion your enemy is about to drink. The Alchemist fire on his belt. The lock on the chest. The buckle on the saddle of his war horse. The buckle on his pants. His glasses. his holy symbol care to add more?
Karanth 05-20-05, 01:34 PM	The crystal citadels that DM's insist on using...
tarkin 05-20-05, 02:01 PM	Oooh, I like the potion shatter idea. Forget about just the one, do it to ALL of their potions...
SoulLord 05-20-05, 02:08 PM	Auch ... as an area attack it could be sooo nasty. so many potions lost. SRD. Used as an area attack, shatter destroys nonmagical objects of crystal, glass, ceramic, or porcelain. All such objects within a 5-foot radius of the point of origin are smashed into dozens of pieces by the spell. Objects weighing more than 1 pound per your level are not affected, but all other objects of the appropriate composition are shattered. Guess if the party is very close together you could get a few of them. I'll have to buy wooden container's for my potions now :)
yonman 05-20-05, 02:58 PM	Would this affect items within containers? Such as a potion within a backpack.
ehrin 05-20-05, 03:28 PM	yes, it does affect items inside pouches, containers, etc.
Ossyrian Ush'Bel 05-20-05, 03:53 PM	The clerics holy symbol.
CaoSlayer 05-20-05, 04:09 PM	and spell scrolls are considered fragile? things inside a closed contained should be not afected, the container would absorb de vibrations.
McAbendroth 05-20-05, 04:19 PM	Using Shatter on potions sucks. Happened to my group. We lost numerous healing potions in a clericless party, various other useful potions, and (bit of an evil party) our prized poison vials. Remember DM's can have NPC's use Shatter too.
tarkin 05-20-05, 04:36 PM	Acutally, potions should generally not be kept in a glass bottle anyway. Why would you do that? Glass is expensive, copper is cheap. BUT... Alchemist Fire and Acid, those have to be in a Shatterable container.
SoulLord 05-20-05, 05:01 PM	The clerics holy symbol. ooooooo so gonna add that one to the list. that should teach the pc to have multiple holy symbols on his person.
Ossyrian Ush'Bel 05-20-05, 05:30 PM	ooooooo so gonna add that one to the list. that should teach the pc to have multiple holy symbols on his person. The first time it happens the look on their face is enough to make it all worth it. Tarkin-Alchemist Fire...Acid....Shatterable containers, how did I miss this fact before. The pyromaniac in the group is in for some pain.
Mellowship Slinky 05-21-05, 04:11 AM	Shatter is why you always buy a Hewards Handy Haversack, it's an extradimensional space so potions and such inside it aren't subject to shatter.
JadeSpider9643 05-21-05, 05:48 AM	"Buckle on his pants"?? the buckle?!? Bah! Shatter his PANTS!
sooperspook 05-21-05, 06:59 AM	not unless his pants are made of crystal or something like that. cloth tears, not shatters. How about that lock on the door when you dont have a rogue? Or one of the stones in the arch above the BBEG? Or the link in the chain holding up that reeaally big chandelier above the guards? The lynchpin holding up one of the ropes on the rope bridge the irate natives are running across after you.
NeueRegel 05-21-05, 09:58 AM	Auch ... as an area attack it could be sooo nasty. so many potions lost. SRD. Used as an area attack, shatter destroys nonmagical objects of crystal, glass, ceramic, or porcelain. All such objects within a 5-foot radius of the point of origin are smashed into dozens of pieces by the spell. Objects weighing more than 1 pound per your level are not affected, but all other objects of the appropriate composition are shattered. Guess if the party is very close together you could get a few of them. I'll have to buy wooden container's for my potions now :) I can't believe nobody in this thread jumped on this yet, especially you, Tarkin... :D From the SRD 3.5 Saving Throws: Nonmagical, unattended items never make saving throws. They are considered to have failed their saving throws, so they always are affected by spells. An item attended by a character (being grasped, touched, or worn) makes saving throws as the character (that is, using the character’s saving throw bonus). Now, if they're in pouches or what-not, I don't know. I'm not a physicist. But unless unattended, they all get the owner's save. May not be logical, but it is game balance. NeueRegel
d00m_b4b00n 05-21-05, 10:14 AM	The Lich's Phylactery maybe?
Purkake 05-21-05, 02:02 PM	The Lich's Phylactery maybe? You mean the one floting above his head with the big, red neon sign: Phylactery?
Niveus Lynx 05-21-05, 02:39 PM	You mean the one floting above his head with the big, red neon sign: Phylactery? No, silly. The floating red neon sign that says, "Not a Phylactery". You know those tricky, tricky liches.
d00m_b4b00n 05-21-05, 02:56 PM	No, it's usually the one hung round the kneck of the adamantine gollem (does their immunity to magic extend to their items? If so then the Lich will be unable to rise while it carries it) or placed tantalisingly behind walls of force...
Critical Mass 05-21-05, 05:58 PM	The wizard's spell component pouch. And then his spellbook.
Meshakhad 05-21-05, 06:05 PM	Is bone affected? I suppose not. Anyway: The psion's magic items.
Alienfreak 05-21-05, 07:30 PM	An Phylactory would be considered an magical item ...
Heavy Cavalry 05-21-05, 10:06 PM	[QUOTE=SoulLord]shatter .... The lock on the chest. QUOTE] are you sure you can do this? This has been the subject of much debate. Can you shatter: a lock on a chest a hinge on a door one stone on a wall the active part of a trap a pane in a window? At what point does the element become separate from the whole? If only adjudicated as part of a wizard spell it isn't that important, but with a warlock this can be a very powerful spell.
SoulLord 05-21-05, 10:15 PM	I would say that if you could take them apart by mechanical means then yes they would be separate objects. but in some cases even if they are a whole (unattended steel door) at enough caster level a caster will be able to shatter most items. a lock on a chest a hinge on a door one stone on a wall the active part of a trap a pane in a window? [QUOTE=SoulLord]shatter .... The lock on the chest. QUOTE] are you sure you can do this? This has been the subject of much debate. Can you shatter: a lock on a chest a hinge on a door one stone on a wall the active part of a trap a pane in a window? At what point does the element become separate from the whole? If only adjudicated as part of a wizard spell it isn't that important, but with a warlock this can be a very powerful spell.
Heavy Cavalry 05-22-05, 10:54 AM	Let's take one of these examples - the lock of a door. The lock could be removed from the door under your definition, but it is certainly an integral part of the door (in most cases) when you cast the spell. Can you see the important parts to shatter? The critical being the bolt. If you shatter what you can see will the bolt be removed or permanently in place? It isn't easy to figure out since it could mean this spell has very broad applications. What are other experiences with the spell?
kSquared 05-22-05, 10:22 PM	Acutally, potions should generally not be kept in a glass bottle anyway. Why would you do that? Glass is expensive, copper is cheap. Copper's not transparent; unless you meticulously label your potions, you can't tell at a glance which potion is which by its color and appearance. It's also heavier than an equal volume of glass. It's also harder to clean since it develops a greenish tinge when it oxidizes, and it introduces impurities into the contents. Copper ions will be dissolving willy-nilly into your potion of cure serious wounds -- which may be a good things since you'll wind up with more vitamin E, but may not be so good if it spoils the magic of the potion.
PhaedrusXY 05-22-05, 10:28 PM	(Greater) Dispel Magic on a magic item, followed up by Shatter on the same magic item. (Greater) Dispel Magic suppresses it temporarily, which makes it a non-magical item according to the SRD. This would allow it to be shattered. A suppressed item becomes nonmagical for the duration of the effect.Also, I would consider a potion to be a magic item. Yes, you could argue that technically only the liquid itself is a magic item, and not its container, but that is splitting hairs a bit too much for me. You could just as easily argue that the buckles on the fighter's magic armor are not magical.
SoulLord 05-22-05, 10:32 PM	well, i see shatter as making an item explode into tiny fragments The way I see it it would shatter the whole lock unless the caster is not of enough level. It could well be the case that shattering the lock is not enough to open a door but that is for the dm to decide for each individual case. No broad yes or no ruling. SoulLord Let's take one of these examples - the lock of a door. The lock could be removed from the door under your definition, but it is certainly an integral part of the door (in most cases) when you cast the spell. Can you see the important parts to shatter? The critical being the bolt. If you shatter what you can see will the bolt be removed or permanently in place? It isn't easy to figure out since it could mean this spell has very broad applications. What are other experiences with the spell?
Retsej Esiw 05-22-05, 11:45 PM	Demilich or a demiliches phylactary(sp)
Sproik 05-23-05, 01:02 AM	Copper's not transparent; unless you meticulously label your potions, you can't tell at a glance which potion is which by its color and appearance. It's also heavier than an equal volume of glass. It's also harder to clean since it develops a greenish tinge when it oxidizes, and it introduces impurities into the contents. Copper ions will be dissolving willy-nilly into your potion of cure serious wounds -- which may be a good things since you'll wind up with more vitamin E, but may not be so good if it spoils the magic of the potion. Potions in home campaigns come in small leather containers, similar to a (tiny) wineskin. Not only is this light and cheap, but it also means you can drink the contents of your water breathing potion whilst underwater... Ok, so it doesn't come up very often.
Critical Mass 05-23-05, 04:27 AM	Shatter has no affect on creatures unless they're crystalline in nature. You can't shatter a demilich anymore than you can shatter an animated door.
Glenn4Moose 05-23-05, 11:29 AM	Depending on DM, you can most likely shatter a section of the door if they won't let you shatter the lock itself. A level one wand of shatter does 5X5X5 if I remember correctly. Thats a nice chunk of a door. I'm pretty sure my dm hated me for this but we found not actual way into a building we needed to get into except the front door which had about 30 orcs in the hallway. I took out my wand of shatter(which I had figured was useless as an unexperienced mage) and blew a door into the backwall. Took 6 charges but it sure made a nice door. If you are high enough level and going to fight a BBEG or a LBEG, for dramatic effect you can shatter his door. :p If youre evil, shatter someones spyglass, magnifying glass or serving tray. Especially if the serving tray is currently being used.
Purkake 05-23-05, 02:51 PM	Shatter has no affect on creatures unless they're crystalline in nature. You can't shatter a demilich anymore than you can shatter an animated door. Go read the demiliches entry in the epic level handbook ;)
Heavy Cavalry 05-26-05, 12:40 AM	Moose - thanks for the reply. Are you sure you can shatter a piece of the door as you mentioned in your example? Or any piece of any larger object for that matter? The entry seems to suggest its an all or nothing attempt.
Heavy Cavalry 05-28-05, 09:58 PM	Anyone?
Catra 05-29-05, 08:18 AM	Actually, according to the spell description, it would sunder the lock/hinge/door...but exploding it just looks cooler :D
Gilgamet 06-01-05, 08:24 AM	I would think that full plate, half plate, or breastplate would be subject to shatter. What about chainmail? Any thoughts?
Tetsubo 06-01-05, 08:49 AM	In an old 2E D&D/Gamma World cross-over adventure, the party mage took out some security droids with a Shatter spell. It destroyed their curcuit boards. :) This trick didn't work against military grade driods though...
NeueRegel 06-01-05, 09:30 AM	I would think that full plate, half plate, or breastplate would be subject to shatter. What about chainmail? Any thoughts? The spell reads, "one object". If the armor is hanging there on the rack, you will shatter one link of chain, or one plate of armor (a shoulder piece, a greave, a helm). The only really viable one here is a breastplate: at 30 lbs, you could do it at third level. But if that armor is being worn, it makes a will save as the wearer. All of this assumes non-magical armor, which has other bonuses. Neue
Heavy Cavalry 06-01-05, 10:35 AM	I would read one object as "one suit of armor" rather than "one link of chain." I'm not sure you should cut it down from there. That is, of course, one of the key questions I have with shatter - when is a door not a door? As opposed to the normal answer, can it also be "when it's a hinge" or "when it's a lock?"
Glenn4Moose 06-01-05, 10:42 AM	Way I read shatter is that it targets a single object but it doesn't have to fall within its limits of area shattered. So, for example, I could target a wall and if I was at level 9, I could shatter a 90lb cube out. It falls under the one object and does not go beyond the 10lbs a level. My dm and myself(when I dm) use it as cubes so 90lbs would be a cube that would weigh that much, according to the weights and measures in the PHB and DMG. Takes a little math but it does work and definitly increases its use.
NeueRegel 06-01-05, 10:53 AM	I would read one object as "one suit of armor" rather than "one link of chain." I'm not sure you should cut it down from there. That is, of course, one of the key questions I have with shatter - when is a door not a door? As opposed to the normal answer, can it also be "when it's a hinge" or "when it's a lock?" I'm not sure either. It was explained this way to me by multiple DM's over the years. "It has to be a contiguous object, else the cracks don't spread". Easy DM call, it's just a 1st level spell, after all. Neue
solbergb 06-01-05, 01:05 PM	Shatter is a second level spell. It affects 100lb/level (not a volume) when targeted on an object. Objects are targeted per the spell targeting rules. Since you can heat metal a suit of armor, you can shatter it. Objects attached to other objects (door, hinge, lock, etc) are a grey area, but the intent does seem to be that you should be able to shatter a door, without it having to be free-standing. To me the target has to be distinct enough to describe it independent of the item itself. Ie, a masonry or brick wall, you can shatter one brick, or you can attempt to shatter the whole wall (but if it is of any size, you'll exceed your weight limit). A door, to me you can shatter the entire door, or its hinge, or its lock if it is a typical door (although shattering a lock may just cause the door to stick shut, depending on the lock mechanism). Weird stone-sliding secret doors might not have all the same pieces as a normal door. Some epic level guy might be able to shatter a whole house (or a normal caster a doll-house) but that doesn't mean a lower level guy can't shatter an individual door, or window.
Heavy Cavalry 06-01-05, 01:47 PM	It isn't a really big deal as a spell if the versatility of the spell is maximized (it can shatter a hinge or a lock), but in the hands of a warlock via baleful utterance it can be massive. A wizard isn't going to memorize many of these and even the best sorcerers can only use it several times a day. A warlock with baleful utterance can shatter at will. Locked door: shatter hinges Locked chest: shatter lock Big bad ogre: shatter club Blocked passage: shatter rock, shatter another rock, etc... Blackguard: shatter armor Chased by pirate ship: shatter one piece of wood Chasing wagon: shatter wheel Pursuit over a bridge: shatter lynchpin Evil cleric: shatter holy symbol For a wizard he can do one of these a day, but a warlock can do all of these and more. I just want to make sure it isn't too powerful with a liberal interpretation. I really don't think it is for a wizard, but what about a warlock?
solbergb 06-01-05, 03:01 PM	Um...the "best" sorcererers can use it over 50 times a day. Remember that all spell slots above first can be used for this spell, if you know it. Plus with chain spell, all slots 5+ can be used to shatter your level in items. But so what? Instead of shattering the holy symbol (of a high will save target, so it probably won't work) you could be just killing or incapacitating the cleric with some other spell. Shatter is useful but it is hardly broken. The limit on use vs magical items plus will save for attended items keeps it within reason.
Heavy Cavalry 06-01-05, 05:32 PM	[QUOTE=solbergb]Um...the "best" sorcererers can use it over 50 times a day. Remember that all spell slots above first can be used for this spell, if you know it.QUOTE] True - forgot about that.
was_fired 06-01-05, 05:45 PM	The shatter the brick trick really wouldn't work you know. Sure you break a brick apart, but the forces pressing down on it will most likely cause it to keep it's shape. The end result means that there wasn't much change at all.
solbergb 06-01-05, 08:28 PM	The shatter the brick trick really wouldn't work you know. Sure you break a brick apart, but the forces pressing down on it will most likely cause it to keep it's shape. The end result means that there wasn't much change at all. Well actually (remembering back to my mechanical engineering and materials science courses...) A brick broken in half..yes A brick broken into many pieces...no. The pieces would be inside the wall until you poked them (or perhaps pulled them out with unseen servant or mage hand) but they would readily push through or come out. If you remove a brick from a brick wall...you don't actually have much pressure on any individual brick. As an experiment, go find a really old brick wall where the cement that glues them together is brittle, and chip it out. You can actually remove a whole brick in that situation, without affecting the wall. Now imagine the same situation with good cement but with the brick busted into pieces. You could just push the pieces out, and then see through the wall. Not that it does you much good unless you can clear a 1'x1' hole for your line of effect, but hey...sometimes you just want to peek. And a chain shatter could remove enough bricks to be useful.
Mr.Atheist 06-02-05, 11:49 PM	Wait, something horrible just came to mind. Can this effect psicrystals? Wait, this could effect any psionic item! I think my psion fears wizards now.
Critical Mass 06-03-05, 04:34 AM	If you're using magic/psionic transperency, then no, it can't. If you aren't using it, you have a helluva lot more problems to deal with than Shatter.
Grelin69 06-03-05, 07:25 PM	SRD "Alternatively, you can target shatter against a single solid object, regardless of composition, weighing up to 10 pounds per caster level." So an unattended adamantite weapon or armor could be destroyed with no save from a lvl 2 spell :weep: shouldn't the hardness of an item come into some play here? I realize this would only be a house rule but there should be some reasonable rule on what can be destroyed be this.
Tetsubo 06-03-05, 08:02 PM	SRD "Alternatively, you can target shatter against a single solid object, regardless of composition, weighing up to 10 pounds per caster level." So an unattended adamantite weapon or armor could be destroyed with no save from a lvl 2 spell :weep: shouldn't the hardness of an item come into some play here? I realize this would only be a house rule but there should be some reasonable rule on what can be destroyed be this. I think the hardness of an object always applies. So that adamantite sword should be OK... :)
solbergb 06-03-05, 09:25 PM	No..shatter ignores hardness and hitpoints. All that matters is the weight of the item. That's what the spell does. It breaks it from the inside-out, presumably (being sonic) by finding some harmonic frequency or something. The spell only does hp damage (which can then be affected by hardness per the FAQ) on crystaline animated objects...ie creatures. Disintegrate ignores composition too, except it is limited by volume rather than mass. I will point out that Make Whole, another L2 spell, can repair anything that has been shattered, regardless of composition. It's essentially the reverse of shatter.
Manyfist 06-03-05, 09:59 PM	People's Teeth... just shatter your opponents teeth, he be crying for his mama. Shatter Wizard's Spell Components so that he can't cast any spell. :D
Nazzareth 06-03-05, 11:24 PM	If your foes are mounted shatter the mounts bit. Or go for the cod-piece.
wonderland666 06-04-05, 08:17 AM	The Problem with shattering an holy symbol: My symbol is burned by acid in My Full plate. As Long as you aren't able to shatter my full plate my holy symbol can't be shattered
SoulLord 06-07-05, 07:27 PM	But at enough level unless it's magical not only will you lose your holy symbol but also your armor. of course being a cleric you should have a high wis save to keep you protected from such things.... Unless someone were to cast it in your sleep because you don't sleep in your armor now do you?
Nessaj 06-08-05, 05:35 PM	Shattering Teeth lmfao, that's great! I'll have to find an excuse to use that next game. I'm a dog bard, and I spend half of my spells getting back at people who talk down to me because I'm a dog. And I thought the dispel/sunder trick was fun... And belt buckles...I've been thinking way too small!
Gilgamet 06-08-05, 08:28 PM	So last adventure our group was waiting for an airship on a large wooden platform when we were ambushed (Eberron). It was not long before my cleric was cornered by a rather large 1/2 orc barbarian. I gave some serious thought to the 10lbs per level idea and I wondered if I could selectively target shatter beneath his feet - or if it would take out 40 lbs beginning at his feet and working outward (possibly capturing me as well). I did shatter (1) his warhammer and (2) his shield. The DM was a little irked because the raging barbarian had to roll grapple checks. I love this spell. :D
Lord Zeb 06-10-05, 04:41 PM	:heehee Nice!
Drachasor 06-10-05, 05:51 PM	Alternatively, you can target shatter against a single solid object, regardless of composition, weighing up to 10 pounds per caster level To me this indicates that, strictly speaking: You can shatter a hinge on a door. You can shatter a wood plank that is part of a door. You can shatter the casing of the lock on the door. Those are all single and solid. I think it requires a bit more liberally interpretation (but still wholly reasonable) to allow you to shatter the entire wooden part of the door (perhaps even with hinges), an entire lock, etc. The way I would play it is this: If something is composed of shatterable items (e.g. contiguous objects), you can shatter it. You can also shatter one individual component at a time (if you wish). So you could shatter a chain, or a link on a chain, but not part of a link on a chain (because that isn't the entire object, and you must target a whole object). My DM seems to share a similar view. He let me shatter the leg of a very large cabinet, which then fell over and killed two goblins (dirty goblins with class levels). As for Warlocks, I've found with mine that often the noise a shatter generates is the limiting factor with using it. Very often you want to be quiet and not let everyone know you are around. Shatter is great after you've cleared an area out, and sometimes if you haven't, but it is horrible for sneaking in somewhere. Important thing for players and DMs to remember. Anyhow, I haven't found a lot of times where using a whole bunch of shatters in a row is worthwhile. Once to get past a metal gate (I shattered several of the bars making it up), but otherwise there is little reason to go shattering mad. People make these things called doors that I often use. I also find the higher in level I get, the more and more obstacles we face that are magical in nature, and shatter doesn't help there. Maybe it is different in other campaigns, but it seems pretty true in the few I've been in. At higher levels the non-magical physical obstacles just aren't that big of a deal. Oh, and remember that most anything you can shatter your high-strength fighter can break just as easily. Shatter has the minor advantage of avoiding traps on locks and such...but those fighters need to get hurt now and then or they won't grow tough. -Drachasor
Artoran 06-11-05, 04:11 AM	Cant help it - must comment :) Be sure to line the inside of your copper bottle with something to protect you from the potential poisonous effects of this heavy metal :) P.S.: God I'd hate my DM if he mentioned this fact :) Acutally, potions should generally not be kept in a glass bottle anyway. Why would you do that? Glass is expensive, copper is cheap. BUT... Alchemist Fire and Acid, those have to be in a Shatterable container.
Josheva 09-26-05, 12:32 AM	BWAHAHA thread reincarnation! Someone wanted this done, figured i'd take the initiative.... :bump:
tharivol266 09-26-05, 08:01 AM	it says u can shatter up to 10lbs of anything so make all the villans be very maticulus about only having things that weigh 11 pounds
Ellone 09-26-05, 08:52 AM	10lb per level and so, you can shatter a pant :) But how would react an obecjt affected by a Nystul's magical aura, can you use shatter on an object reacting to a detect magic to check for that?
Karelzarath 09-26-05, 06:56 PM	Shatter is why you always buy a Hewards Handy Haversack, it's an extradimensional space so potions and such inside it aren't subject to shatter. That's what the Transdimensional Spell metamagic feat is for. Makes the spell affect things in extradimensional spaces. :devil:
Josheva 09-27-05, 01:09 AM	Lol would be fun to shatter a wizards reading glasses :P how about shattering a pirates wooden leg :D Kings Crown :) . How about this littl situation: Dm :) You guys enter the kings court through a large, very decorated doorway. As you glance to his advisor you see he is wearing long flowing robes. He is obviously a powerful wizard. Player :( A wizard? :plotting: what kinda stuff does he have? Dm :thinks: hmm... around his neck you see a necklace which you reckognize to be a necklace of fireballs! Player :evillaugh I cast shatter on the chain of his necklace Dm :nonono: why cant we play a good campaign for once... Lol i figure the chain isn't magical since the pieces that explode detach from it ;)
incubus 09-27-05, 02:23 AM	Just so you know. The AOE version of the spell is a spread. That means that if you've got your potion INSIDE something, then it won't be affected. Spreads don't pass through things, they simply spread around them.
glennhefley 09-27-05, 02:34 AM	Shatter a Cleric's holy symbol (I did that once to a Player, man was that effective), an arrow being drawn, the belt buckle of a dashing highway man (or woman), the town crier's bell (damn kid always out there at the ungodly hour of noon ringing a bell!) the best bottle of wine in the house, the last step of the stairs coming out of the bar, A horse's horseshoe, the stings on a bards harp, the bards flute, the bard's violin. The buckle of the synch belt for the saddle of the paladin (always a good one), the wedding ring of the guy who is trying to convince his wife he didn't cheat on her, .. heck man, the world is just full of things aching to be shattered .. at just the right moment.
slade_caizer 09-27-05, 02:51 AM	Shatter a Cleric's holy symbol (I did that once to a Player, man was that effective), an arrow being drawn, the belt buckle of a dashing highway man (or woman), the town crier's bell (damn kid always out there at the ungodly hour of noon ringing a bell!) the best bottle of wine in the house, the last step of the stairs coming out of the bar, A horse's horseshoe, the stings on a bards harp, the bards flute, the bard's violin. The buckle of the synch belt for the saddle of the paladin (always a good one), the wedding ring of the guy who is trying to convince his wife he didn't cheat on her, .. heck man, the world is just full of things aching to be shattered .. at just the right moment.And this is why I love Baleful Utterance. :plotting: