Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Eothain 04-24-07, 05:18 PM	Can I use this spell while im wildshaped? It does not state that cant be done... my question would be about attacks... if lets say, im wildhsaped into a bear, then I cast this spell... my attack damage would be equal to that of the spell, right? But Id still get the benefits of the spell....??
yonman 04-24-07, 05:23 PM	It would replace the bite attack of the Bear. It's just like if you cast Fist of Stone, it replaces your normal attacks with your hand (unarmed strike).
tarkin 04-24-07, 05:25 PM	1. Yes you can do that. 2. You gain enhancement bonuses to Dex and Con. Those stack with the wildshape (but not a spell/magic item that grans them). 3. If you follow the original spell, then you gain a +3 natural armor when your skin changes. This is NOT an enhancement bonus, it is a set value, which can DECREASE your Natural Armor. Your skin takes on the appearance of a were-rat, which is LESS thick than a brown/polar bear. If you were wildshaped into a brown bear or Polar bear,your Natural Armor drops from +5 to +3. If you had wildshaped into a black bear, it goes up from +2 to +5. However, apparently I am informed below that the Spell Compendium version has changed this to an Enhancement bonus 4. You use the natural bite appropriate for your size. 1d3 would be for a small creature, 1d4 for a medium, but a Brown or Polar bears are Large, so you get 1d6. Note, again, this is lower than the standard 1d8 for the Brown or polar bear.
Eothain 04-24-07, 05:37 PM	The spell states +X to NA as enhancement bonus, so NA raises, but does not change... The idea is using it when I need more AC o perhaps when I need to hit for sure if im wildshaped into something with similiar STR and DEX scores. For example at level 5 using it when im wildshaped into a fleshraker. I do still have a question. in the case of having VoP, when describes the NA Ex ability, states that you gain a +1 NA bonus... in this case if I wildshape into an animal this +1 becomes the NA of the animal or becomes the NA of the animal +1??? Becuase the ability states that you gain +1 NA bonus or your existing NA increases by 1
Trevhippy 04-24-07, 10:48 PM	I refuse to cast "Bite of the ..." spells with my druid. They are disgustingly overpowered when combined with wild-shape. --Trev
Trevhippy 04-24-07, 10:50 PM	3. You gain a +3 natural armor when your skin changes. This is NOT an enhancement bonus, it is a set value, which can DECREASE your Natural Armor What are you basing this off of? I'm looking at the spell in my Spell compendium and it clearly says "+3 Enhancement Bonus to Natural Armor." --Trev
Eothain 04-25-07, 06:30 AM	Overpowered?? Hm... actually could be, but its duration is not that great.... just one round level... i think it can be used as emergency spell.... because it does not last very much
tarkin 04-25-07, 11:21 AM	The original spell, found on the WoTC web site (link below) said +x Natural Armor bonus, and did not say "enhancement bonus". http://www.wizards.com/dnd/article.asp?x=dnd/sb/sb20020209a I did not read the Spell Compendium (I am at work). The Spell Compendium version is newer, and should over-ride the original spell. That said, it does work VERY well with wildshaping
Eothain 04-25-07, 07:08 PM	Now says enhancement bonus! And theres no errata... in this case which is valid? Spell compendium?