Blanket of Invisibility [Archive] - Wizards Community

Blanket of Invisibility [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
Malawain
04-12-05, 12:52 PM I received a question from someone in my gaming group about the invisibility spell. His question was, "If I cast invisibility on a blanket and then placed it over myself and someone else, do I turn invisible?".
His logic is that when you cast the invisibility spell on yourself and you tuck something away in a pocket, it vanishes. I couldn't think of any reason it wouldn't work, but maybe someone else could.
Seeker95
04-12-05, 02:28 PM Harry Potter's blanket would work... even in D&D.
tarkin
04-12-05, 02:31 PM I disagree. Invisibility is one of many spells that has different affects depending on if it targets an object or a creature.

The ability to pick up something and make it invisible by surounding it is part of the effect that occures when a creature is targetted. Note it SPECIFICALLY states "items picked up disappear if tucked into the clothing or pouches worn by the creature." The enfolding only works when a creature is the target.

On the other side of that, while objects can not enfold and make invisible other objects, they CAN be made peramently invisible.

Please note the problem here. If a DM were to House Rule against the above interpretation, then you could make an over-sized Cloak permanently invisible (very cheap to do), then call it your Cloak of Invisibility, and it would be FAR cheaper than a real item that grants invisibility.

Doing so would only cost 1,000 xp, which comes to about 5,000 gp using the standard x5 cost. A ring of invisibility costs 20,000 gp. Yes it would be subject to Dispel Magic, but the entire point of invisibility is that you don't know they are there so how/why would they Dispell.
Vharuck
04-12-05, 02:33 PM But then it's fair game for dispel magic.
tarkin
04-12-05, 02:38 PM As I just added to my post, if you are invisible, who is going to be Dispelling you.

But that is just a side issue. The real point is that the enfolding power specifically states it takes a creature.
primemover003
04-12-05, 03:13 PM Not to mention it'd never be dispelled due to an attack, as the Cloak itself isn't attacking.
djinni
04-12-05, 09:29 PM Not to mention it'd never be dispelled due to an attack, as the Cloak itself isn't attacking.
the cloak is not attacking but you are hence you cease to be invisible...
primemover003
04-12-05, 10:37 PM Yes but covering up with the cloak again would be a move action at best, instead of re-activating a Ring for instance.
Malawain
04-12-05, 11:16 PM If the person does turn invisible, then wouldn't that mean that an invisible person could huddle over an item and therefore make it invisible? It would be along the same basis as throwing an invisible blanket over someone and them disappearing. You should be able to see through invisible things; they shouldn't be able to block out sight. Of course, it's magic. I guess it's up to the DM.
djinni
04-12-05, 11:28 PM If the person does turn invisible, then wouldn't that mean that an invisible person could huddle over an item and therefore make it invisible? It would be along the same basis as throwing an invisible blanket over someone and them disappearing. You should be able to see through invisible things; they shouldn't be able to block out sight. Of course, it's magic. I guess it's up to the DM.

the Idea is that if you just simply walk behind it of course it does nothing but if you are completely encased in the invisible stuff why would you be seen?
Donraj
04-12-05, 11:31 PM As I just added to my post, if you are invisible, who is going to be Dispelling you.

Just to play Devil's Advocate, anyone who gets attacked or sees a comrade being attacked by someone using this thing.
epifreak
04-13-05, 12:03 AM Just to play Devil's Advocate, anyone who gets attacked or sees a comrade being attacked by someone using this thing.

At the equivalent of 5k gold, you can make 4 before you are paying as much as you would for an undispellable version. If you can manage to get the thing dispelled 4 times, then.....oh well, it was obviously worth the investment.
Malawain
04-13-05, 12:22 AM the Idea is that if you just simply walk behind it of course it does nothing but if you are completely encased in the invisible stuff why would you be seen?

Yeah, that's true. I had the same conversation with one of the guys in my group (the one that started the question) and he made the same argument. I guess its magic! :mage:

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Malawain 04-12-05, 12:52 PM	I received a question from someone in my gaming group about the invisibility spell. His question was, "If I cast invisibility on a blanket and then placed it over myself and someone else, do I turn invisible?". His logic is that when you cast the invisibility spell on yourself and you tuck something away in a pocket, it vanishes. I couldn't think of any reason it wouldn't work, but maybe someone else could.
Seeker95 04-12-05, 02:28 PM	Harry Potter's blanket would work... even in D&D.
tarkin 04-12-05, 02:31 PM	I disagree. Invisibility is one of many spells that has different affects depending on if it targets an object or a creature. The ability to pick up something and make it invisible by surounding it is part of the effect that occures when a creature is targetted. Note it SPECIFICALLY states "items picked up disappear if tucked into the clothing or pouches worn by the creature." The enfolding only works when a creature is the target. On the other side of that, while objects can not enfold and make invisible other objects, they CAN be made peramently invisible. Please note the problem here. If a DM were to House Rule against the above interpretation, then you could make an over-sized Cloak permanently invisible (very cheap to do), then call it your Cloak of Invisibility, and it would be FAR cheaper than a real item that grants invisibility. Doing so would only cost 1,000 xp, which comes to about 5,000 gp using the standard x5 cost. A ring of invisibility costs 20,000 gp. Yes it would be subject to Dispel Magic, but the entire point of invisibility is that you don't know they are there so how/why would they Dispell.
Vharuck 04-12-05, 02:33 PM	But then it's fair game for dispel magic.
tarkin 04-12-05, 02:38 PM	As I just added to my post, if you are invisible, who is going to be Dispelling you. But that is just a side issue. The real point is that the enfolding power specifically states it takes a creature.
primemover003 04-12-05, 03:13 PM	Not to mention it'd never be dispelled due to an attack, as the Cloak itself isn't attacking.
djinni 04-12-05, 09:29 PM	Not to mention it'd never be dispelled due to an attack, as the Cloak itself isn't attacking. the cloak is not attacking but you are hence you cease to be invisible...
primemover003 04-12-05, 10:37 PM	Yes but covering up with the cloak again would be a move action at best, instead of re-activating a Ring for instance.
Malawain 04-12-05, 11:16 PM	If the person does turn invisible, then wouldn't that mean that an invisible person could huddle over an item and therefore make it invisible? It would be along the same basis as throwing an invisible blanket over someone and them disappearing. You should be able to see through invisible things; they shouldn't be able to block out sight. Of course, it's magic. I guess it's up to the DM.
djinni 04-12-05, 11:28 PM	If the person does turn invisible, then wouldn't that mean that an invisible person could huddle over an item and therefore make it invisible? It would be along the same basis as throwing an invisible blanket over someone and them disappearing. You should be able to see through invisible things; they shouldn't be able to block out sight. Of course, it's magic. I guess it's up to the DM. the Idea is that if you just simply walk behind it of course it does nothing but if you are completely encased in the invisible stuff why would you be seen?
Donraj 04-12-05, 11:31 PM	As I just added to my post, if you are invisible, who is going to be Dispelling you. Just to play Devil's Advocate, anyone who gets attacked or sees a comrade being attacked by someone using this thing.
epifreak 04-13-05, 12:03 AM	Just to play Devil's Advocate, anyone who gets attacked or sees a comrade being attacked by someone using this thing. At the equivalent of 5k gold, you can make 4 before you are paying as much as you would for an undispellable version. If you can manage to get the thing dispelled 4 times, then.....oh well, it was obviously worth the investment.
Malawain 04-13-05, 12:22 AM	the Idea is that if you just simply walk behind it of course it does nothing but if you are completely encased in the invisible stuff why would you be seen? Yeah, that's true. I had the same conversation with one of the guys in my group (the one that started the question) and he made the same argument. I guess its magic! :mage: