Blind targets and illusions [Archive] - Wizards Community

Blind targets and illusions [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Fanged Fremont
03-07-06, 04:47 PM I was wondering how illusions worked with targets that can't see. If you were to put a silent image up in front of a blind person, he'd probably not know that it was there. What happens if you a major image in front of him, is it basically just the equivalant to ghost sound to him?

But what I really want to know is if a blind person be denied his will save vs shadow evocations? I'm playing an illusionist in a low level campaign and I'm afraid of what will happen when half the stuff we start running into at higher levels has true seeing. Can I just blind them and then shadow conjure and evoke their asses into next week?
Puca
03-07-06, 04:59 PM You were going fine until you got to Shadow magic.

I guy who cant see a Silent Image of a wall is affected by its presence not at all, since you can walk through one anyway.

But Shadow magic is partly real, meaning that simply closing your eyes to it is no defense. A blind man can still feel the heat of a Shadow Fireball, then he gets a save to see how much he feels.

True Seeing though is a killer. You automatically know Illusions for what they actually are, and that means you dont need the will save and only suffer the partial effect.
Nom
03-07-06, 05:07 PM When the shadow magic affects the target, they will get Will (disbelief) as normal. You don't have to see an illusion to interact with it, if it has some tangible component.
Fanged Fremont
03-07-06, 05:13 PM But is a blind man Denied his will save against a shadow evocation scorching ray?

EDIT: Doh, 2 seconds after the above was posted.
Fanged Fremont
03-07-06, 05:18 PM Ok, but blinding someone with true seeing would obviously keep them from automatically know it's an illusion.

Here's another question. Would a silent image work against someone with blindsight in addition to regular sight?
jaelis
03-07-06, 05:48 PM I would require major image to fool someone with blindsight, on the theory that the illusion would need a tactile component. YMMV.

As for a blind character with true seeing, I would permit him to recognize illusory tactile and audio effects. You are right that the spell description uses visual language, but since there's no "true hearing" or "true touching", I would rule that true seeing applies to all your senses. Again, YMMV.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Fanged Fremont 03-07-06, 04:47 PM	I was wondering how illusions worked with targets that can't see. If you were to put a silent image up in front of a blind person, he'd probably not know that it was there. What happens if you a major image in front of him, is it basically just the equivalant to ghost sound to him? But what I really want to know is if a blind person be denied his will save vs shadow evocations? I'm playing an illusionist in a low level campaign and I'm afraid of what will happen when half the stuff we start running into at higher levels has true seeing. Can I just blind them and then shadow conjure and evoke their asses into next week?
Puca 03-07-06, 04:59 PM	You were going fine until you got to Shadow magic. I guy who cant see a Silent Image of a wall is affected by its presence not at all, since you can walk through one anyway. But Shadow magic is partly real, meaning that simply closing your eyes to it is no defense. A blind man can still feel the heat of a Shadow Fireball, then he gets a save to see how much he feels. True Seeing though is a killer. You automatically know Illusions for what they actually are, and that means you dont need the will save and only suffer the partial effect.
Nom 03-07-06, 05:07 PM	When the shadow magic affects the target, they will get Will (disbelief) as normal. You don't have to see an illusion to interact with it, if it has some tangible component.
Fanged Fremont 03-07-06, 05:13 PM	But is a blind man Denied his will save against a shadow evocation scorching ray? EDIT: Doh, 2 seconds after the above was posted.
Fanged Fremont 03-07-06, 05:18 PM	Ok, but blinding someone with true seeing would obviously keep them from automatically know it's an illusion. Here's another question. Would a silent image work against someone with blindsight in addition to regular sight?
jaelis 03-07-06, 05:48 PM	I would require major image to fool someone with blindsight, on the theory that the illusion would need a tactile component. YMMV. As for a blind character with true seeing, I would permit him to recognize illusory tactile and audio effects. You are right that the spell description uses visual language, but since there's no "true hearing" or "true touching", I would rule that true seeing applies to all your senses. Again, YMMV.