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Drekfister 08-30-06, 05:17 AM	Returning after a year, and still no search function? *sigh* Well, the questions I came to find an answer to: a.) Does the miss chance he suffers for attacks foil his his sneak attack ability? b.) Does the miss chance for attacks against him make him immune to sneak attacks? The relevant rules passages I found are these: Sneak Attack The rogue must be able to see the target well enough to pick out a vital spot and must be able to reach such a spot. A rogue cannot sneak attack while striking a creature with concealment [...]. Blink You strike as an invisible creature (with a +2 bonus on attack rolls), denying your target any Dexterity bonus to AC. Physical attacks against you have a 50% miss chance, and the Blind-Fight feat doesn’t help opponents, since you’re ethereal and not merely invisible. If the attack is capable of striking ethereal creatures, the miss chance is only 20% (for concealment). Likewise, your own attacks have a 20% miss chance, since you sometimes go ethereal just as you are about to strike. The FAQ didn't provide any insights to this matter. I learn from these sources: a.) No sneak attack vs. concealment. b.) Blink provides an unnamed miss chance AND a concealment miss chance to the creature affected. c.) The affected creature suffers an unnamed miss chance. Thus, I deduct that, according to the RAW, the Blinking character could sneak attack others, but not be sneak attacked himself. And now imagine a rogue wearing a Ring of Blinking... Endless sneak attacks and immunity to AoO (not possible vs. targets with concealment, either) and Sneak Attacks. Now, ain't that a bit overpowered? Each and every rogue, hell, even most fighters/rangers/monks would want a Ring of Blinking, a hint for overpoweredness, I think. If not - how to foil this tactic? Dispel Magic would be an obvious possibility, but is not available to your run of the mill frost giant, e. g. Any drawbacks to this combination? I'll be GM'ing an adventure set in the FR at level 20 (characters freshly designed after raw), where a players plans to use this tactic, if that is of any relevance. A little help for my rusting talents would be much appreciated. ;) Edit: After reading my post... My English appears to be have rusted a little bit, too. I apologize for any inconvenience gnawing through my text.
CaoSlayer 08-30-06, 05:25 AM	Well, if the enemy can see him (see invisibility) can sneak attack, while it is true that the ring it is somehow underpriced, the ring dont gives unlimited blinking but the wearer have to activate it and since works as a 5 caster level, only lasts 5 rounds and so the rogue/fighter/whatever have to spend an action on it. It is a very good spell but have several backdraws, being the most important a 20% miss chance.
Silverthumb128 08-30-06, 05:30 AM	Returning after a year, and still no search function? *sigh* :rolleyes: a.) Does the miss chance he suffers for attacks foil his his sneak attack ability? b.) Does the miss chance for attacks against him make him immune to sneak attacks? a) Only if his Sneak Attacks miss. b) Only if the Sneak Attacks miss him.
Shaggy_Shaggs 08-30-06, 05:30 AM	Apparently Blink does allow for outgoing sneak attacks. There's actually an official weapon based on this principle - the Rogue Blade, in Savage Species. It's a +2 rapier that causes the wielder to constantly blink when it's readied, and allows for all his attacks to be sneak attacks for it. I don't think it's broken. It definitely makes the rogue look better than the fighter in the damage department, but then everything looks better than the fighter in the damage department, beyond about 5th level. Even the superoptimized fighters are battlefield controllers rather than primary damage dealers. I think stuff like this is actually a good thing, as it can help the mundane and semimundane classes to keep up with the primary spellcasters in combat, later in the game.
Nom 08-30-06, 09:29 AM	Thus, I deduct that, according to the RAW, the Blinking character could sneak attack othersYep. It's not a concealment miss chance, but a miss chance because you might unexpectedly become ethereal. but not be sneak attacked himself.Unless you come up against someone with, say, see invisibility, which is a level 2 spell that lasts 10 min/lvl as opposed to a level 3 spell that lasts 1 round/lvl. And now imagine a rogue wearing a Ring of Blinking... Endless sneak attacks and immunity to AoO (not possible vs. targets with concealment, either) and Sneak Attacks.By the time you can afford a 27,000 gp ring you are 11th level, at least. Anyone who can't counter simple invisibility at 11th level isn't much of a threat. Nor will blink provide immunity to AoOs. Total concealment negates AoOs (PH pg 152), concealment does not.
Dheran 09-01-06, 03:42 AM	Not only will Blink let you make a sneak attack, it will also let you do so against a character with the Blind-Fight feat:Blind-Fight [General] Benefit An invisible attacker gets no advantages related to hitting you in melee. That is, you don’t lose your Dexterity bonus to Armor Class, and the attacker doesn’t get the usual +2 bonus for being invisible. ... Special The Blind-Fight feat is of no use against a character who is the subject of a blink spell.
Dheran 09-01-06, 03:55 AM	One more thought about Blink: you can combine it with Greater Invisibility for improved tactical effect. Normally your opponents know you're blinking because You “blink” back and forth between the Material Plane and the Ethereal Plane. You look as though you’re winking in and out of reality very quickly and at random. But if you're also invisible while on the material plane they won't know you're there until you first hit them, then it'll take a round to cast See Invisibility. And still there's a 20% chance that they'll miss you as you go ethereal.
Drekfister 09-10-06, 07:12 AM	Thanks for the replies! Another question out of the way. Special thanks for the AoO-Info - I was wrong on that one.