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Merk1n 02-03-06, 10:32 PM	While pondering a new character, when my stint as DM is finally over, I was looking at some spells that I don't normally pay a lot of attention to, for a Fighter/magic user type. How, if at all, do the effects of these spells interact? Does only the highest miss penalty apply? I'm guessing they don't just add (120% miss chance, Hmmm!) Do they they apply consecutively? ie 80% chance to hit due to Blur, if you beat that, then 50 % chance to hit due to Blink, then 50 % chance to hit due to Displacement. ie (chance to hit = 4/5 * 1/2 * 1/2 = 1/5 = 20% or 80% miss chance). Any thoughts would be most welcomed Thanks
jaelis 02-03-06, 10:46 PM	Well, blur and displacement both simply provide concealment, so they would overlap, not stack. With both, you'd just have 50% concealment. Blink does something else, you're really not there 50% of the time. I would have you roll both effects in succession: first a 50% miss chance for concealment, then a 50% miss chance for blinking. To save time, you could just roll once for a 75% miss chance.
smrtgmp 02-04-06, 02:00 AM	I agree with jaelis.
-Defiler of Souls- 02-04-06, 03:05 AM	but doesnt blink description say miss chance is partial due to concealment and partially due to not bring there?(thus truye sight negating part of them iss chance) so i don't think entire 50% stacks with displacement...i agree other tehnt that though
Bopple 02-04-06, 03:16 AM	Yes, part of Blink effect is from concealment. And that's why you can make sneak-attack, while you are blinking.
FireAge 02-04-06, 04:07 AM	Blur does not stack with displacement. Blink only partially stacks with displacement. Blink is 20% concealment and 20% etherealness with 10% bonus if both function. The 20% concealment does not stack with displacement. Therefore you should roll 50% first for displacement, and 20% second for etherealness. Or in total: Chance to miss = 50% (displacement) + 50%*20% (etherealness) = 60% Thus a 60% miss chance.
Merk1n 02-04-06, 04:47 AM	Thanks for the thoughts, I'd guessed blur and displacement didn't stack (A person can hope though) and FireAge's break down of blink makes sense to me. Cheers
Ryll 02-04-06, 08:34 PM	Blur does not stack with displacement. Blink only partially stacks with displacement. Blink is 20% concealment and 20% etherealness with 10% bonus if both function. The 20% concealment does not stack with displacement. Therefore you should roll 50% first for displacement, and 20% second for etherealness. Or in total: Chance to miss = 50% (displacement) + 50%*20% (etherealness) = 60% Thus a 60% miss chance. I would make the etherealness 30%, since you are getting more than the 20% concealment that normally gives you a bonus 10% from blink. Unless the attacker ignores the concealment, then it would be the normal 20%. So I would require a 50% miss chance roll, followed by a 30% miss chance roll, or use the combined: 50% (displacement) + 50%*30% = 65% if you use one roll instead of two.
DrMrLordX 02-05-06, 07:05 AM	While we're on the topic of Blink, what happens when the Blinking individual wields a Ghost Touch weapon? The spell description states that "Likewise, your own attacks have a 20% miss chance, since you sometimes go ethereal just as you are about to strike." But the Ghost Touch weapon description says"Essentially, a ghost touch weapon counts as either corporeal or incorporeal at any given time, whichever is more beneficial to the wielder." If I'm reading that right, you'd never have a miss chance while Blinking if you have a Ghost Touch weapon. Is that correct?
Bopple 02-05-06, 07:10 AM	Ethereal is different from incorporeal. Therefore Ghost Touch weapon does nothing against ethereal beings.
DrMrLordX 02-06-06, 01:33 AM	Ethereal is different from incorporeal. Therefore Ghost Touch weapon does nothing against ethereal beings. Hmm . . . looks like that's the case. Thanks for the tip!