Body Outside Body + Tome of Battle [Archive] - Wizards Community

Body Outside Body + Tome of Battle [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
Mindolin
07-19-07, 01:40 PM Okay, the spell Body Outside Body from Complete Arcane states that the clones created cannot cast spells. I was wondering if that might also apply to the manuevers from the tome of battle, such as from a warblade, or if the clones could also use the maneuvers.
ArchMagik
07-19-07, 01:46 PM You must ask yourself this. Is a manuever by RAW the same as a spell? If yes then your clone could not use the manuever. If no then your clone could use the manuever. But correct me if im mistaken a manuever is not a spell and thus would not be effected by Body Outside Body.
tarkin
07-19-07, 02:47 PM To get this you need to be a 13th level Wujen.

If a 13th level Wujen had any maneuvers, then it should be able to use them.
Mindolin
07-19-07, 04:10 PM You don't necesarilly have to be a 13th level Wu Jen, remember the Jade Pheonix Mage class, that helps get you up there, also gestalt is an option. I know that Maneuvers aren't spells, but wanted to get some other opinions on it.
spamfiltre
07-19-07, 06:02 PM If you were on the charop boards, I wouldn't suggest this but...

Think for a minute about the spirit of BoB. The restriction on spellcasting was obviously put in place to avoid a munchkin army of cloned spellcasters. ToB came later. In the spirit of BoB, your DM (or you, if you are the DM) should also be looking for the abusive possibilities, and ToB has many.
DaidojiTaidoru
07-19-07, 06:09 PM RAW: Nothing prevents maneuvers from being used.

Worst thing I can see with this is White Raven Tactics spam though. And you could do that with multiple Crusaders in a party anyway....
Mindolin
07-19-07, 07:10 PM Well, you have to admit that with this spell, you finally might be able to convince your DM that you count as your own ally,while keeping a straight face, so White Raven Tactics can help.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Mindolin 07-19-07, 01:40 PM	Okay, the spell Body Outside Body from Complete Arcane states that the clones created cannot cast spells. I was wondering if that might also apply to the manuevers from the tome of battle, such as from a warblade, or if the clones could also use the maneuvers.
ArchMagik 07-19-07, 01:46 PM	You must ask yourself this. Is a manuever by RAW the same as a spell? If yes then your clone could not use the manuever. If no then your clone could use the manuever. But correct me if im mistaken a manuever is not a spell and thus would not be effected by Body Outside Body.
tarkin 07-19-07, 02:47 PM	To get this you need to be a 13th level Wujen. If a 13th level Wujen had any maneuvers, then it should be able to use them.
Mindolin 07-19-07, 04:10 PM	You don't necesarilly have to be a 13th level Wu Jen, remember the Jade Pheonix Mage class, that helps get you up there, also gestalt is an option. I know that Maneuvers aren't spells, but wanted to get some other opinions on it.
spamfiltre 07-19-07, 06:02 PM	If you were on the charop boards, I wouldn't suggest this but... Think for a minute about the spirit of BoB. The restriction on spellcasting was obviously put in place to avoid a munchkin army of cloned spellcasters. ToB came later. In the spirit of BoB, your DM (or you, if you are the DM) should also be looking for the abusive possibilities, and ToB has many.
DaidojiTaidoru 07-19-07, 06:09 PM	RAW: Nothing prevents maneuvers from being used. Worst thing I can see with this is White Raven Tactics spam though. And you could do that with multiple Crusaders in a party anyway....
Mindolin 07-19-07, 07:10 PM	Well, you have to admit that with this spell, you finally might be able to convince your DM that you count as your own ally,while keeping a straight face, so White Raven Tactics can help.