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Elan The Eternal 04-26-06, 12:24 PM	If i apply this feat in a magic that doesn't have save, will the effects of the feat have one ? for example a Lesser Eletric Orb with born of 3-Thunders, or shocking grasp
tarkin 04-26-06, 01:47 PM	Yes. You get a save on spells that did not previously have one. Or rather TWO saves (Fort then Reflex). Note, this also has an interesting side-effect, if the DM agrees with my logic: Spells that have Born of Three Thunders are IMMUNE to Evasion. The spell no longer grants a Reflex for 1/2, but instead becomes much more complicated save with a Fort and a Reflex Partial.
runestar 04-26-06, 11:01 PM	Spells that have Born of Three Thunders are IMMUNE to Evasion. The spell no longer grants a Reflex for 1/2, but instead becomes much more complicated save with a Fort and a Reflex Partial. No, it merely introduces new saves into the game, it does not do away with existing ones... ;) Say I cast a born of 3 thunder - lightning bolt at a rogue. The rogue is first allowed a reflex save with evasion. If he fails, then he takes the damage, and has to make a fort save to avoid being stunned, and another reflex save to avoid being prone. Yes. You get a save on spells that did not previously have one. Note that the save is only for new effects introduced by said feat. It would not allow, say, a born of 3 thunders - orb spell to suddenly allow a save for 1/2 damage. If the original effect did not allow a save, the metamagicked version would not allow a save on said effect as well. :)
Elan The Eternal 04-26-06, 11:31 PM	ThankS!