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Steve Russell 11-14-03, 04:42 AM	sorry its a dumb question but by 3.5 dmg math it is O gp because anything multiplied by O (the level of the spell is zero)? I am thinking of making some very minor potions of cure minor wounds and I was wondering.
Tenzhi 11-14-03, 04:47 AM	I thought 0-level spells were counted as a .5 multiplier?
Dracoulis The Phyrexian 11-14-03, 05:13 AM	0 level spells are treated as being 1/2 level for purposes of pricing magic items. Thus, a potion of Cure Minor Wounds would cost 25 gp. (1/2 * 1 * 50 gp) You could have a higher caster level for Cure Minor Wounds if you want to, thought I can't really see any point in that at all.
Old Kobold 2 11-14-03, 05:45 AM	You could have a higher caster level for Cure Minor Wounds if you want to, thought I can't really see any point in that at all. [3.5] If some of your companions have spell resistance(SR), they need to lower it voluntarily (standard action) to allow your spell to "get through" without having to break resistance. It seems that if they are unconscious, they can't do this, so you might consider using a higher caster level for Cure Minor Wounds so that it has higher chance of breaking through their SR when they are lying somewhere with negative hitpoints. Okay, there is no point. ;)
Seeker95 11-14-03, 07:51 AM	Can you drink a potion while you are unconscious? Anyway, I would rule that the subconscious mind is into self-preservation. If SR would get in the way of survival (like stopping a cure spell) then the subconscious mind would allow it to work, even if the conscious mind is unconscious.
Steve Russell 11-14-03, 07:54 AM	yes if you read potions it says its a full round action to feed a unconcious character a potion oh and a potion's caster level is minimum 3 because you have to be third level to have the feat brew potion.
Tenzhi 11-14-03, 08:02 AM	I believe you can make items cheaper by putting the spell effects in them at a lower caster level than your own. This makes them easier to dispel/resist/counterspell though.
kreynolds 11-14-03, 08:03 AM	Originally posted by Steve Russell oh and a potion's caster level is minimum 3 because you have to be third level to have the feat brew potion. The feat doesn't set a minimum on the item's caster level. See the rings for what I mean.
Steve Russell 11-14-03, 08:05 AM	BREW POTION [ITEM CREATION] Prerequisite: Caster level 3rd. the only way to avoid the caster level would be to have a first level guy cast the spell that you need as far as I can tell unless the rules allow you to cast at a lower level.
kreynolds 11-14-03, 08:08 AM	Again, see previous post. Forge Ring requires a 12th-level caster. The ring of blinking is at caster level 7. In other words, the feat imposes no minimum on potions.
Steve Russell 11-14-03, 08:10 AM	yes but the DMG seldom follows the rules for how you would really make a magic item during play. if you were a wizard and you made a ring of blinking you would be 12th level
kreynolds 11-14-03, 08:12 AM	Originally posted by Steve Russell if you were a wizard and you made a ring of blinking you would be 12th level You would be 12th-level, but the caster level of the ring does not have to be 12th-level.
Steve Russell 11-14-03, 08:14 AM	then you are saying the DMG says you can lower your casting level without actaully saying it. Thank you.
Tenzhi 11-14-03, 08:21 AM	Originally posted by Steve Russell then you are saying the DMG says you can lower your casting level without actaully saying it. The DMG does "actually" say it, too. Right on pg. 282 under Creating Magic Items. "A creator can create an item at a lower caster level than her own,..."
kreynolds 11-14-03, 08:23 AM	Originally posted by Steve Russell then you are saying the DMG says you can lower your casting level without actaully saying it. Thank you. :uh-huh: I cannot vork vith someone like dis! *throws up hands in drama-queen fashion and storms out with nose up in the air—and wearing one of those cute little artist cap thingies*
Steve Russell 11-14-03, 08:24 AM	Tenzhi Thank you that is what I needed to know.
Tenzhi 11-14-03, 08:29 AM	Originally posted by Steve Russell Tenhzi Thank you that is what I needed to know. You couldn't just trust what I said in the first place... Oh no, you had to make me actually get out the book and look it up for you... And then you have the gall to misspell my name at me as if to taunt me for helping out! :eek: :rofl:
PhxDM 11-14-03, 08:32 AM	From the SRD: For potions, scrolls, and wands, the creator can set the caster level of an item at any number high enough to cast the stored spell and not higher than her own caster level. This can also be found on page 215 of the 3.5 Dungeon Master's Guide. Hope this helps.
PhxDM 11-14-03, 08:33 AM	Guess I am a little slow. :(
Steve Russell 11-14-03, 08:40 AM	sorry I corrected the name mispelling. I have huge problems with the way that 3.0 delt with magical item creations and as a GM I usually just create my magical items the way I want them to be. I never have had to worry about cost. However, I was contacted to do some design work and I am still trying to gain mastery of the rules over 3.5 as the change has shaken my asurity that a rule is what I remember it to be. Since I respect the board but it is for publication I had to be sure of what the rule was. and PhxDM yours was even better because you corrected him by saying that its only potions scrolls and wands. Hmmm I wonder if that would mean the ring of blinking is wrong or that the caster can still have someone else cast it for him?
kreynolds 11-14-03, 08:48 AM	Originally posted by Steve Russell Hmmm I wonder if that would mean the ring of blinking is wrong... If it is, then so is Animal Friendship, Chameleon Power, Climbing, Counterspells, Energy Resistance, Evasion, Feather Falling, Force Shield, Freedom of Movement, Friend Shield, Invisibility, Jumping...need I go on? Seriously, I applaud your effort to create magic items, and I congratulate you on your opportunity to create them for publication (which is what I assume you're doing?). But, I highly recommend that you at least read Chapter 7 of the DMG.
kreynolds 11-14-03, 08:49 AM	Originally posted by Steve Russell Hmmm I wonder if that would mean the ring of blinking is wrong... If it is, then so is Animal Friendship, Chameleon Power, Climbing, Counterspells, Energy Resistance, Evasion, Feather Falling, Force Shield, Freedom of Movement, Friend Shield, Invisibility, Jumping...need I go on? Seriously, I applaud your effort to create magic items, and I congratulate you on your opportunity to create them for publication (which is what I assume you're doing?). But, I highly recommend that you at least read Chapter 7 of the DMG.
PhxDM 11-14-03, 08:58 AM	Originally posted by Steve Russell and PhxDM yours was even better because you corrected him by saying that its only potions scrolls and wands. Hmmm I wonder if that would mean the ring of blinking is wrong or that the caster can still have someone else cast it for him? In my original post I only quoted the sentence pertaining to potions, scrolls and wands. The very next sentence in the SRD has this to say about other item's caster level: For other magic items, the caster level is determined by the item itself. In this case, the creator’s caster level must be as high as the item’s caster level (and prerequisites may effectively put a higher minimum on the creator’s level). So, even for other items the creator's level does not set the caster level.
Steve Russell 11-14-03, 09:01 AM	kreynolds First I have read the 3.0 DMG many times. I was contacted and told that I would need to correct the costs of my items to 3.5. I however am not wasting my money on what I consider to be a revision that had its designers laid off half way through the design and then new designers highered to complete the work, is two years too early, and then not playtested properly. I do try to read the SRD but it is simpler and easier to ask a clarifying question of the board who are generally quick and informative in their responses. I have tried to be polite and ask for clarification from people as they quote the rules but your answers were vague and never directed me to the rule I missed. I said at the begining that it was a dumb question, however your rudeness is not apprecitated. PhxDM thank you for your time and the clarification of the rules.
kreynolds 11-14-03, 09:44 AM	Originally posted by Steve Russell kreynolds First I have read the 3.0 DMG many times. Even the 3.0 DMG has the information you need. However you feel about 3.5 is fine, but it doesn't matter because 3.5 isn't required to resolve this issue. Originally posted by Steve Russell I do try to read the SRD but it is simpler and easier to ask a clarifying question of the board who are generally quick and informative in their responses. I understand that, and I was pointing out a flaw in your thinking, that Brew Potion sets no minimum on the caster level of a potion. I even site an example for you, i.e. the rings. Originally posted by Steve Russell I have tried to be polite and ask for clarification from people as they quote the rules but your answers were vague and never directed me to the rule I missed. They weren't vague. I advised you to look at the rings. Originally posted by Steve Russell I said at the begining that it was a dumb question, however your rudeness is not apprecitated. It wasn't rudeness. I was simply short. There's a difference. I have no desire to read the entirety of the Magic Items chapter of the DMG to you when you can just do that yourself, but I _am_ inclined to point you in the right direction with examples. If you choose to simply not read the rules, whether due to laziness or not, that's your decision, but I'm not an audiobook. Rudeness was never my intention. I just couldn't justify being any more specific that I already was, for reasons I already stated.
Seeker95 11-14-03, 12:41 PM	Steve, you've dug a hole, jumped into it, and then started pulling the dirt back on top of you. Better bail now before you bury yourself with your own words.