Calm Emotions on a raging barbarian [Archive] - Wizards Community

Calm Emotions on a raging barbarian [Archive] - Wizards Community

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amethal
03-25-05, 06:15 PM What do you think is the effect of casting "Calm Emotions" on a raging barbarian?

Per the description, it negates his rage ability for the duration of the spell.

I am confused by the sentence "it automatically ... negat(es) ... rage". Does that mean he doesn't get the Will save to keep raging?

I take "negates" to mean that the rage is suppressed somehow; it hasn't ended so there is no question of being fatigued. Am I right?

Thanks for any input, and apologies if there have been a hundred previous threads on this topic.
RaspK FOG
03-25-05, 06:23 PM If I am not mistaken, the best reading of the spell is that the barbarian gets a Will save to resist the spell as normal (Indomitable Will applies); if he fails his saving throw, he is no longer under the effects of his (now wasted) rage, but he also suffers from fatigue because he no longer is enraged (the fatigue is caused as a side-effect of having your body pent-up for a time and then dropping back to normal).
Luminous Crayon
03-25-05, 06:25 PM This is the way I'd run the situation. I can't quote you any specific quotes to support it, but it's the only way it makes sense for me to run things.

Barbarian gets a Will save against Calm Emotions. I don't think the wording you quote is intended to imply that there's no save against the spell in this situation. If that were the intention, it would have been made far more explicit, like this: "When this spell is used to target a raging barbarian, the barbarian's rage is immediately ended, without the opportunity for a saving throw." That's not what it says, though, so I think you're reading too much into it. On the plus side for the barbarian, he's got that nifty Will save bonus during rage anyway.

The barbarian is fatigued after the rage ends. This is always the case, as far as I know. I see no reason to assume that the wording of Calm Emotions would mean that a barbarian targeted by that spell would end his rage any differently than any other way to end a rage. That could also have been explicitly stated if it were the intention.

Edit: Also, what RaspK FOG said. Only faster than me. :)
Seeker95
03-25-05, 07:27 PM Allowing for the passage of another hour, I must find myself concurring with Rasp and Luminous.

Will Save Allowed.
Failure = Rage Ends.
Fatigue Applies.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
amethal 03-25-05, 06:15 PM	What do you think is the effect of casting "Calm Emotions" on a raging barbarian? Per the description, it negates his rage ability for the duration of the spell. I am confused by the sentence "it automatically ... negat(es) ... rage". Does that mean he doesn't get the Will save to keep raging? I take "negates" to mean that the rage is suppressed somehow; it hasn't ended so there is no question of being fatigued. Am I right? Thanks for any input, and apologies if there have been a hundred previous threads on this topic.
RaspK FOG 03-25-05, 06:23 PM	If I am not mistaken, the best reading of the spell is that the barbarian gets a Will save to resist the spell as normal (Indomitable Will applies); if he fails his saving throw, he is no longer under the effects of his (now wasted) rage, but he also suffers from fatigue because he no longer is enraged (the fatigue is caused as a side-effect of having your body pent-up for a time and then dropping back to normal).
Luminous Crayon 03-25-05, 06:25 PM	This is the way I'd run the situation. I can't quote you any specific quotes to support it, but it's the only way it makes sense for me to run things. Barbarian gets a Will save against Calm Emotions. I don't think the wording you quote is intended to imply that there's no save against the spell in this situation. If that were the intention, it would have been made far more explicit, like this: "When this spell is used to target a raging barbarian, the barbarian's rage is immediately ended, without the opportunity for a saving throw." That's not what it says, though, so I think you're reading too much into it. On the plus side for the barbarian, he's got that nifty Will save bonus during rage anyway. The barbarian is fatigued after the rage ends. This is always the case, as far as I know. I see no reason to assume that the wording of Calm Emotions would mean that a barbarian targeted by that spell would end his rage any differently than any other way to end a rage. That could also have been explicitly stated if it were the intention. Edit: Also, what RaspK FOG said. Only faster than me. :)
Seeker95 03-25-05, 07:27 PM	Allowing for the passage of another hour, I must find myself concurring with Rasp and Luminous. Will Save Allowed. Failure = Rage Ends. Fatigue Applies.