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Knucklehead 01-19-06, 07:12 PM	If so can you point to where it says so?
Tasmar 01-19-06, 07:27 PM	well he definitely can craft a scroll and have the sorcerer cast the spell for the scroll then the wiz learns the spell off of the scroll that way. I'm not too sure if the sorcerer can teach it to him directly.
Tony Vargas 01-19-06, 07:28 PM	Hope you're not looking for 'proof' - it's a rare commodity 'round here. ;) I would think that, yes, a sorcerer could 'teach' a spell to a wizard. If the sorc was an NPC he should charge the same as a wizard 'renting' his spellbook, perhaps a bit more, since it'll take more of his own time. It's really more a matter of the wizard puzzling out what the crazy sorcerer is 'really' doing, but whatever. If the sorc was just helping him out, the wizard should just pay the scribing cost. The usual spellcraft check to understand the spell should also be called for, though, I guess the sorc could maybe 'aid another' on that one. If you want to go strictly by the book, a Wizard could collaborate with the sorcerer to scribe a scroll of the spell, then use the scroll to learn the spell. Wasteful and silly, but RAW.
The Simbul 01-20-06, 02:12 AM	Sorcerers can learn spells from a Wizard's spellbook and from creatures who have the spell as spell-like ability..both examples of teachers who dont share the same form of spellcasting as the pupil. As such it would hardly make sense for a Wizard to be incapable of the opposite.
Seeker of Undeath 01-20-06, 02:18 AM	If the sorcerer can scribe a scroll of a spell that is known to him/her, then yes.
Rondom 01-20-06, 10:11 AM	Sorcerers can learn spells from a Wizard's spellbook and from creatures who have the spell as spell-like ability..both examples of teachers who dont share the same form of spellcasting as the pupil. As such it would hardly make sense for a Wizard to be incapable of the opposite. Er - I don't think this is correct. As I read the rules Sorcerers can only learn new spells when they go up a level and gain new spells (or take one of the few feats that gives them additional spells), and these spells come from 'within', so they don't need a source to 'learn' them from (and cannot benefit from such a source if one presents itself). Otherwise Sorcerers would learn as many spells as Wizards, and that would lead to anarchy (and Sorcerers being plainly better than Wizards, as opposed to it being arguable).
Seeker95 01-20-06, 12:01 PM	Rondom is correct. Sorcerers do not "learn" spells. They just "gain" them. But once a sorcerer knows a spell, s/he can scribe it (assuming s/he can scribe at all). A wizard can then "learn" the spell from the scroll.
RedLightning006 01-20-06, 12:10 PM	Er - I don't think this is correct. As I read the rules Sorcerers can only learn new spells when they go up a level and gain new spells (or take one of the few feats that gives them additional spells), and these spells come from 'within', so they don't need a source to 'learn' them from (and cannot benefit from such a source if one presents itself). Otherwise Sorcerers would learn as many spells as Wizards, and that would lead to anarchy (and Sorcerers being plainly better than Wizards, as opposed to it being arguable). True, but from a roleplay standpoint, how does a sorcerer really get new spells? A sorcerer must figure out how to cast a spell just like a wizard needs to find a way to learn to prepare the spell. It's why you're supposed to use down time to level up. You don't just gain new spells because you reach a new level, you have to learn them, the same way a fighter must train with his sword to gain the weapon specialization, or the rogue practices picking a lock to improve his open lock skill. Out of character it simply means putting ranks in a skill or taking a feat. I allow wizards to learn a spell from a sorcerer as long as they have enough time to work together. The sorcerer basicly teaches the wizard how he casts the spell. Then the wizard takes that information and figures out how to prepare the spell so he can cast it, then he has to put it in his book at the regular cost. I usually have the wizard make a spellcraft check to identify the spell (school, material components and such) then he has to make a knowledge (arcana) check to figure out how to alter it so he can prepare it... I'm sure there are better ways to do this, and I'd love to hear some of them because I'd like to impliment a better system into my games.
RaspK FOG 01-20-06, 12:37 PM	Er - I don't think this is correct. As I read the rules Sorcerers can only learn new spells when they go up a level and gain new spells (or take one of the few feats that gives them additional spells), and these spells come from 'within', so they don't need a source to 'learn' them from (and cannot benefit from such a source if one presents itself). Otherwise Sorcerers would learn as many spells as Wizards, and that would lead to anarchy (and Sorcerers being plainly better than Wizards, as opposed to it being arguable). While most of what you say is true, a Sorcerer may find an exotic source for a known spell; the DMG suggests that powerful creatures may teach a sorcerer how to cast a spell (though he would only be able to understand how to use it at the point he both knows and is able to cast it), for example.