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DX2052 06-10-07, 11:39 PM	or does the water count as an object? if it is possible can one create a gap in a sea (à la Exodus 014:016) with a pair of walls? if not is there anyway to replicate the crossing of the red sea via magic? on a lesser note outside of Empower Spell and Widen Spell is there a way to make a single casting of "Create Food and Water" feed more? before you ask why 1:I'm bored, 2: it is instresting to see how powerful a spellcaster it would take to replicate biblical miracles.
Someone 06-10-07, 11:54 PM	1. Unless you did more spellcasting, the water between the two walls of force would still be there. 2. Moses was probably using control water, at a really high caster level. :D
DX2052 06-11-07, 12:08 AM	1. Unless you did more spellcasting, the water between the two walls of force would still be there. 2. Moses was probably using control water, at a really high caster level. :D hmm I might by Moses being epic (actually let me look up what caster level would be needed to drain the red sea with it's current depth) *rereads control water* oh I misread, that whirlpoll effect only happens if the water is deeper then the effect *slaps self*. the first I was thinking more of "Intsant dam". well I relized that for the "Water to wine" trick Jesus could have easily Prestidigitationed the water, but Clerics never learn the spell. ok the avrage depth of the Red Sea is 1,640 feet, requireing a caster level of 820 (ouch), that can be lowered to 410 (nuts even for epic levels) if he widen spelled it, so unless i'm missing something or he crossed really shallow water you couldn't cross the Red Sea with control water. you could always take the simple way out and use Miracle, but thats not the point,
Tenebrous_Sage 06-11-07, 12:47 AM	2. Moses was probably using control water, at a really high caster level. :DOr Miracle... At the OP, you shouldn't be able to cast a wall of force that penetrates the surface of the water since the water's surface breaks line of effect.
Saurus33 06-11-07, 05:51 AM	Well, the whole thing about moses parting the red sea was a mistranslation from the original bible(Hebrew). It was the "Reed" sea, which is a shallow lake in Egypt.
Radijs 06-11-07, 06:38 AM	Well considering how bady the bible is checked (moses drowned the pharao's armies TWICE) Its not surpirsing to find additional mistakes eh?
TheGogmagog 06-11-07, 09:26 AM	Well, the whole thing about moses parting the red sea was a mistranslation from the original bible(Hebrew). It was the "Reed" sea, which is a shallow lake in Egypt. This is the explanation I have heard most frequently/recently. I remember some 'scientific' explanation that there is a ridge along one of the 'fingers' of the red sea that isn't very deep. They explained a drought (is this the same time frame as the plagues?) combined with a wind from the right direction would expose this sand barrier that would be capable of supporting chariots. This must have been dismissed since I haven't heard that explanation in over 10 years. Regardless, that would allow for a lower caster level. Ditto on the 'prayer' solution also. To the OP, I would allow you to stop the flow of a river with a wall of force. Water is more of an Element in D&D than an object. (see sig) Looks like a must have spell for vampires! :vamp
lint trap 06-11-07, 10:12 AM	My money's on the epic spell "Part the Waters" from Stormwrack (p. 125).
Dheran 06-11-07, 11:15 AM	or does the water count as an object? if it is possible can one create a gap in a sea (à la Exodus 014:016) with a pair of walls? No, because the water would just flow underneath the Wall of Force. Unlike a Wall of Stone, a Wall of Force isn't anchored to anything; indeed, it can't be anchored to anything, becauseThe caster can form the wall into a flat, vertical plane whose area is up to one 10-foot square per level. The wall must be continuous and unbroken when formed. If its surface is broken by any object or creature, the spell fails. If there's even a single grain of sand sticking up above a perfectly level floor, you can't form a Wall of Force to seal with the floor. A sea bed? Fuhgeddaboutit!
Millennium 06-11-07, 11:24 AM	You might be able to hold back the sea with two sufficiently large walls of force, but you'd still need some way to empty the space between them. I can think of a few ways that really high-level casters might do this, but wall of force won't do it by itself.