can the phantasmal killer pass the antimagic field? [Archive] - Wizards Community

can the phantasmal killer pass the antimagic field? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Farrell
09-04-06, 11:48 AM If Mage A is in the antimagic field, and Mage B wants to kill him by casting a phantasmal killer, can Mage be effected in this way?
in another word, can the mind-affecting spell pass the antimagic field?
Joseph_Silver
09-04-06, 11:54 AM No.
RedRory
09-04-06, 06:11 PM Like the other poster I would have to say no. But I'm assuming the question only comes up because of the description of the phantasmal image in the PHB. From the text one could imagine the phantasmal image could exist outside of the anti-magic field but still be within range to affect the target. But the target of the spell is the living creature within the Anti-Magic field and that is impervious to any spell.
pmurray@bigpond.com
09-05-06, 01:14 AM No. The killing that PK does is not simply because the image is very very scary - it is a magical effect. After all - it permits spell resistance, right?
Navigator
09-05-06, 07:39 AM No. The killing that PK does is not simply because the image is very very scary - it is a magical effect. After all - it permits spell resistance, right?
I can't seem to find it in the SRD, but I'm pretty sure that if the spell allows for Spell Resistance, that it can't overcome the antimagic field. And since phantasmal killer allows for SR, it will not effect one protected by antimagic field.
runestar
09-05-06, 07:57 AM You still need line of effect to your enemy to target him with the spell, which AMF blocks. So you can't even target him with phantasmal horror in the first place, much less scare him to death with it.;)
tarkin
09-05-06, 12:13 PM List of things that ignore Line of Effect:

Teleportation
Things that explicitedly say the ignore Line of Effect

That is it.

Note, because Anti-Magic field also surpresses magic, you can not (willingly or unwillingly) teleport out of an Anti-Magic field.

You could however teleport from one side of it to another, even though the Anti-Magic Field entirely blocks a stone passageway.
runestar
09-06-06, 01:10 AM You could however teleport from one side of it to another, even though the Anti-Magic Field entirely blocks a stone passageway.
Teleportation is essentially instantaneous travel through the astral plane to your destination, that's why it has no need for line of effect. You are in effect simply walking to wherever you want to go, just that the time spent is 0. That's why an AMF would not block you - since you can always just go round it.;)

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Farrell 09-04-06, 11:48 AM	If Mage A is in the antimagic field, and Mage B wants to kill him by casting a phantasmal killer, can Mage be effected in this way? in another word, can the mind-affecting spell pass the antimagic field?
Joseph_Silver 09-04-06, 11:54 AM	No.
RedRory 09-04-06, 06:11 PM	Like the other poster I would have to say no. But I'm assuming the question only comes up because of the description of the phantasmal image in the PHB. From the text one could imagine the phantasmal image could exist outside of the anti-magic field but still be within range to affect the target. But the target of the spell is the living creature within the Anti-Magic field and that is impervious to any spell.
pmurray@bigpond.com 09-05-06, 01:14 AM	No. The killing that PK does is not simply because the image is very very scary - it is a magical effect. After all - it permits spell resistance, right?
Navigator 09-05-06, 07:39 AM	No. The killing that PK does is not simply because the image is very very scary - it is a magical effect. After all - it permits spell resistance, right? I can't seem to find it in the SRD, but I'm pretty sure that if the spell allows for Spell Resistance, that it can't overcome the antimagic field. And since phantasmal killer allows for SR, it will not effect one protected by antimagic field.
runestar 09-05-06, 07:57 AM	You still need line of effect to your enemy to target him with the spell, which AMF blocks. So you can't even target him with phantasmal horror in the first place, much less scare him to death with it.;)
tarkin 09-05-06, 12:13 PM	List of things that ignore Line of Effect: Teleportation Things that explicitedly say the ignore Line of Effect That is it. Note, because Anti-Magic field also surpresses magic, you can not (willingly or unwillingly) teleport out of an Anti-Magic field. You could however teleport from one side of it to another, even though the Anti-Magic Field entirely blocks a stone passageway.
runestar 09-06-06, 01:10 AM	You could however teleport from one side of it to another, even though the Anti-Magic Field entirely blocks a stone passageway. Teleportation is essentially instantaneous travel through the astral plane to your destination, that's why it has no need for line of effect. You are in effect simply walking to wherever you want to go, just that the time spent is 0. That's why an AMF would not block you - since you can always just go round it.;)