Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Xanthan 10-10-06, 07:19 PM	The title is strait forward. I was wondering if it is reasonable for a wish to grant a character an additional feat(as long as you meet the prerequisits of course) Like the spell Heroics with permanency cast on it but not restricted to only fighter feats. 5,000xp = still spell, improved initiative,or leadership feat? My thought is 5,000xp is a large amount of xp during the pre-epic game, so abuse is not a huge consern . By the time 5,000xp is meaningless to a caster, and players would abuse it, the caster is already "overpowered" (as all epic casters are) so why worry about that. Any way i tryed to be as articulate as possible seeing how this is my first post, so i would like to see some feedback Preferably in a way a DM should respond to such a request, as in what would be a reasonable price for a feat. For example 5,000xp(for the spell) and an additional xp cost, or can't access the new feat untill the character gains a level new level, or even going as far as giving that character a level adjustment.
halaster 10-10-06, 07:31 PM	personally i would rule yes. looking at the most expensive metamagic rod (quicken) it has an xp cost of somthing like 3-6k xp. but i would treat he granted feat more like a spell-like ability. perhaps gain use of it 3/day. tho it still counts for the prereq's for other feats.
pmurray@bigpond.com 10-11-06, 04:45 AM	That's the equvalent of "sudden quicken", 3 times a day! A wish can raise an ability score by 1, which is something you do every 4 levels. You get a feat every 3 levels, so yeah they are about the same. I suppose.
Seeker95 10-11-06, 08:19 AM	Technically, no. It is not listed in the defined capabilities of a wish. Of course, a DM can allow whatever s/he want. In my campaign, it would depend on the Feat.
Taluron 10-11-06, 08:34 AM	We allow it in our campaigns. But you must qualify for the feat, the wish does not obliviate the requirements.
Yaeri 10-11-06, 10:11 AM	I would allow it on a case by case basis. The requirements of the feat would still have to be met. And I would probably limit the maximum number of feats thus attainable to somewhere in the two-four range.
User5127 10-11-06, 10:23 AM	If wish granted you a feat would it be called an "inherent bonus feat"? I think that would be a good choice, that way a player can only have 5 inherent bonus feats, just like they can only have a +5 inherent ability bonus. *shrugs* but i'd allow my players to get a feat, mabye not with one wish. perhaps multiple wishes would be needed for a feat? for game balance purposes if the character was prepared to burn that much xp, then i'd say it was fair. and if the fighter didn't like it he can go buy a ring of three wishes. :P
jaelis 10-11-06, 10:23 AM	Just make up an unslotted magic item that grants the feat, and wish for that. There's a rough rule of thumb that an item granting a feat is 10000 gp plus another 10000 gp per prerequisite feat. I think that takes some tweaking, but once you and your DM come up with a cost, then it's easy to wish for it.
tarkin 10-11-06, 10:54 AM	1) Magic Item rules for feats are notoriously BAD. Prime examples are Combat Reflexes (one of the better feats around - and it happens to have no pre-reqs) and say Mobility, (which sucks if compared to say ranks in Tumble.) I would not even bother to use that rule of thumb. Instead, I prefer to compare things to existing magic items, or spells. 2) The Simbul officiaally used wishes to give herself a single feat. I could see using a single wish to get a sucky feat like Spell Focus (Divination), Dodge, etc. But for any real feat, I would require multiple castings of wish or do what Jaelis said and have it grant a magic item. 3) A single wish should definitely be capable of TRADING feats. I.E. You no longer want that EW proficiency Bastard Sword, because you got this cool magical Long Sword. So drop that proficiency and trade it for Weapon Focus Long Sword.
dokesa 10-11-06, 09:56 PM	Probably, but it would come paired with a flaw from Unearthed Arcana.
Xanthan 10-12-06, 03:47 AM	Thanks for replying. The main reason I wanted to get everyones opinion on this is that I wanted a good(balanced) method for improving a character with wishes (other than +1 to +5 on ability scores). I believe that the feat selections are a good chose because they are (supposed to be) balanced and are the way to focus your character the way you want him to be, but i was not sure if a wish was powerful enough. That being said i've come up with the conclusion wishes can grant feats in the form of a magical item like a tattoo that doesn't take up a slot but can be destroyed, dispelled, or even blow up because the magic is to powerful for that characters body(in case of overpowering the DM has a reasonable way of dealing with it).on the other hand after testing the feat and it's affect on the charecter if it's not unreasonable(as many wishes are) the tattoo can fully intergrate and dissolve into the characters body. This allows the DM set limits as he seems fit for example a level 18 paladin with a ring of three wishes asking to have the fighting power of a ranger with a bow can use each wish to grant successively "point blank shot", "rapid shot", and "many shot" as long as he meets the prerequisites. This does not seem like an absurd request for a full ring of three wishes. On the other hand a lvl 20 sorcerer using his wish to gain a new spell known using "extra spell" may open a can of worms as the sorc gets higher in levels he may "learn" every arcane spell in the game making wizards role in question(but by that point the sorc would be such a high level who realy cares) and so the DM may say that a sorc can only use this ability to "learn" X new spell(s) a level or his head explodes from an "instability of gray matter in his brain from the magical energies trying to increase it's folds to allow all that knowledge to be stored" or it explodes due to his "unmitigated gaul". Any way thanks again for your assistants and if anyone has anything further to say or suggest i would appreciate it.