Cast Fire spells Melt or Frost spells freeze a target [Archive] - Wizards Community

Cast Fire spells Melt or Frost spells freeze a target [Archive] - Wizards Community

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blaze7386
08-29-07, 04:15 PM Ok the other night me and my friends where sitting around and wondering if a fire spell like fireball melt stone or gold? if so what is gonna be the damage that causes the target thing melt because the melting point of marble stone is about
5000 degrees F. Is the damage you need to melt stuff like 10d6 or 100d6? if you can melt things with fire spells at all because is the extra damage a fire spell does the hotter the magical fire is or is it the force of it hitting something or it exploding? Also if you can melt something does that mean in turn you can freeze them because you cant really do one without the other and what would you need to freeze something 6d10 cold damage or 100d6 cold damage? If someone can point me in the right direction please feel free to help.
Vharuck
08-29-07, 04:26 PM When dealing with spells that create or modify non-magical elements (pyrotechnics, create water), treat these as mundane. Because they are. Rules for handling these types of things can be found in the DMG (and sometimes the PHB, but rarely), and I suggest using the rules found in the control wind/water/etc. spells to be very useful even in naturally-caused conditions.

But you're asking about spells that create magical fire or magical cold. In this case, what happens is what the spell says happens. You could houserule, but most of the time the spells include effects if they're intended. A fireball, for example, can melt metals with low melting points (lead, gold, copper, silver, and bronze) and set fire to combustibles. If it doesn't mention any other effects, you can safely assume that they do not happen. Anything else is a houserule.
Kouk
08-29-07, 07:56 PM Fireball states it can melt soft metals.

Otherwise you are free to rule different effects can do other things, like ice spells can freeze the surface of water (or at least make it cold), and fireballs might leave scorch marks on surfaces.
ArcTan
08-29-07, 09:15 PM In general cases for solid objects, "burning" or "freezing" alike is simply treated as doing damage to the object, which most fire/ice spells can do.

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blaze7386 08-29-07, 04:15 PM	Ok the other night me and my friends where sitting around and wondering if a fire spell like fireball melt stone or gold? if so what is gonna be the damage that causes the target thing melt because the melting point of marble stone is about 5000 degrees F. Is the damage you need to melt stuff like 10d6 or 100d6? if you can melt things with fire spells at all because is the extra damage a fire spell does the hotter the magical fire is or is it the force of it hitting something or it exploding? Also if you can melt something does that mean in turn you can freeze them because you cant really do one without the other and what would you need to freeze something 6d10 cold damage or 100d6 cold damage? If someone can point me in the right direction please feel free to help.
Vharuck 08-29-07, 04:26 PM	When dealing with spells that create or modify non-magical elements (pyrotechnics, create water), treat these as mundane. Because they are. Rules for handling these types of things can be found in the DMG (and sometimes the PHB, but rarely), and I suggest using the rules found in the control wind/water/etc. spells to be very useful even in naturally-caused conditions. But you're asking about spells that create magical fire or magical cold. In this case, what happens is what the spell says happens. You could houserule, but most of the time the spells include effects if they're intended. A fireball, for example, can melt metals with low melting points (lead, gold, copper, silver, and bronze) and set fire to combustibles. If it doesn't mention any other effects, you can safely assume that they do not happen. Anything else is a houserule.
Kouk 08-29-07, 07:56 PM	Fireball states it can melt soft metals. Otherwise you are free to rule different effects can do other things, like ice spells can freeze the surface of water (or at least make it cold), and fireballs might leave scorch marks on surfaces.
ArcTan 08-29-07, 09:15 PM	In general cases for solid objects, "burning" or "freezing" alike is simply treated as doing damage to the object, which most fire/ice spells can do.