Caster Level for Scrolls? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Caster Level for Scrolls? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Droken
09-23-05, 12:55 PM Are scrolls set with the lowest level at which they can be made, or is the caster level set by the creator? Does it cost more to create a scroll set at a higher caster level? Is the DC for a scroll which you made lower than if you cast the spell because it's set with the lowest possible stat score required to cast the spell?
slade_caizer
09-23-05, 01:00 PM Are scrolls set with the lowest level at which they can be made, or is the caster level set by the creator? Does it cost more to create a scroll set at a higher caster level? Is the DC for a scroll which you made lower than if you cast the spell because it's set with the lowest possible stat score required to cast the spell?1)It's set by the creator.

2)Yes, it does. Check the formulas near the back of the DMG regarding item creation.

3)No, the DC isn't any different. It is based upon the creator at the time of its scribing. Of course a creator can elect to make a scroll weaker (lower the caster level, and I think drop the DC), but it's not expected to be so unless stated.
bolgar
09-23-05, 01:44 PM The minimum caster level for a scroll/potion is the minimum level to cast the particular spell. So a wizard can make a fireball-scroll or potion at caster level 5 or higher, while a sorcerer's scroll must be at least caster level 6 (because a sorcerer cannot cast a fireball at 5th level).
SureFoot
09-23-05, 03:25 PM So a wizard can make a fireball-scroll or potion

who the blazes (pun intended) would drink THAT?!?! :P
beezly
09-23-05, 03:30 PM Related question: How do feats work with scribe/scribing scrolls. Say my character has the augment summoning feat, would that apply to anything cast from a scroll or scrolls made?
Nom
09-24-05, 08:44 AM 3)No, the DC isn't any different. It is based upon the creator at the time of its scribing. Of course a creator can elect to make a scroll weaker (lower the caster level, and I think drop the DC), but it's not expected to be so unless stated.No, the DC of any normal magic item that duplicates a spell is 10 + spell level + bonus of minimum ability score required to cast spell (DMG pg 214).

Spell level vs DC
0 10 (score 10 -> 10+0+0)
1 11 (score 11 -> 10+1+0)
2 13 (score 12 -> 10+2+1)
3 14 (score 13 -> 10+3+1)
4 16 (score 14 -> 10+4+2)
5 17 (score 15 -> 10+5+2)
6 19 (score 16 -> 10+6+3)
7 20 (score 17 -> 10+7+3)
8 22 (score 18 -> 10+8+4)
9 23 (score 19 -> 10+9+4)

The same principle is generally applied to feats: unless it's a staff, neither the creator or user's feats provide any benefit. It is possible for the DM to create / allow a custom item that includes the effect of one or more feats, but the price should be adjusted (upward) accordingly.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Droken 09-23-05, 12:55 PM	Are scrolls set with the lowest level at which they can be made, or is the caster level set by the creator? Does it cost more to create a scroll set at a higher caster level? Is the DC for a scroll which you made lower than if you cast the spell because it's set with the lowest possible stat score required to cast the spell?
slade_caizer 09-23-05, 01:00 PM	Are scrolls set with the lowest level at which they can be made, or is the caster level set by the creator? Does it cost more to create a scroll set at a higher caster level? Is the DC for a scroll which you made lower than if you cast the spell because it's set with the lowest possible stat score required to cast the spell?1)It's set by the creator. 2)Yes, it does. Check the formulas near the back of the DMG regarding item creation. 3)No, the DC isn't any different. It is based upon the creator at the time of its scribing. Of course a creator can elect to make a scroll weaker (lower the caster level, and I think drop the DC), but it's not expected to be so unless stated.
bolgar 09-23-05, 01:44 PM	The minimum caster level for a scroll/potion is the minimum level to cast the particular spell. So a wizard can make a fireball-scroll or potion at caster level 5 or higher, while a sorcerer's scroll must be at least caster level 6 (because a sorcerer cannot cast a fireball at 5th level).
SureFoot 09-23-05, 03:25 PM	So a wizard can make a fireball-scroll or potion who the blazes (pun intended) would drink THAT?!?! :P
beezly 09-23-05, 03:30 PM	Related question: How do feats work with scribe/scribing scrolls. Say my character has the augment summoning feat, would that apply to anything cast from a scroll or scrolls made?
Nom 09-24-05, 08:44 AM	3)No, the DC isn't any different. It is based upon the creator at the time of its scribing. Of course a creator can elect to make a scroll weaker (lower the caster level, and I think drop the DC), but it's not expected to be so unless stated.No, the DC of any normal magic item that duplicates a spell is 10 + spell level + bonus of minimum ability score required to cast spell (DMG pg 214). Spell level vs DC 0 10 (score 10 -> 10+0+0) 1 11 (score 11 -> 10+1+0) 2 13 (score 12 -> 10+2+1) 3 14 (score 13 -> 10+3+1) 4 16 (score 14 -> 10+4+2) 5 17 (score 15 -> 10+5+2) 6 19 (score 16 -> 10+6+3) 7 20 (score 17 -> 10+7+3) 8 22 (score 18 -> 10+8+4) 9 23 (score 19 -> 10+9+4) The same principle is generally applied to feats: unless it's a staff, neither the creator or user's feats provide any benefit. It is possible for the DM to create / allow a custom item that includes the effect of one or more feats, but the price should be adjusted (upward) accordingly.