Casting Defensively, Meta [Archive] - Wizards Community

Casting Defensively, Meta [Archive] - Wizards Community

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NeueRegel
07-16-05, 10:47 AM Casting Defensively: Concentration Check, DC 15 + Spell Level.

Is Fireball + 4-slot meta 15+3 or is it 15+(3+4)?

Is Heighten Spell an exception to the rule?

NeueRegel
Zherog
07-16-05, 10:59 AM Applying a metamagic feat doesn't actually change the level of the spell, except Heighten. I would say the check is 15 + 3, unless you were using Heighten to make it a 7th level spell, in which case it'd be 15 + 3 + 4.

This is all off the top of my head without reading any rules - and actually without having finished my coffee for the morning. So take it with caution until somebody else chimes in. ;)
tarkin
07-16-05, 11:35 AM People mis-use the "doesn't actually change the level of the spell" wording a lot.

In general, when I play, I use the following rule:

Heighten: It is a spell of the higher level for all purposes.

Any other metamagic feat: It is a spell of the higher level for any thing that the caster wants it to be lower, but a spell of the lower level for anything that the caster wants it to be higher.

While this is not written in the books, I have found this wording to both:

1) be fairer, preventing munchkin abuses
2) be effectively what WoTC uses in any Sage Advice answer, Living City game, etc. etc.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
NeueRegel 07-16-05, 10:47 AM	Casting Defensively: Concentration Check, DC 15 + Spell Level. Is Fireball + 4-slot meta 15+3 or is it 15+(3+4)? Is Heighten Spell an exception to the rule? NeueRegel
Zherog 07-16-05, 10:59 AM	Applying a metamagic feat doesn't actually change the level of the spell, except Heighten. I would say the check is 15 + 3, unless you were using Heighten to make it a 7th level spell, in which case it'd be 15 + 3 + 4. This is all off the top of my head without reading any rules - and actually without having finished my coffee for the morning. So take it with caution until somebody else chimes in. ;)
tarkin 07-16-05, 11:35 AM	People mis-use the "doesn't actually change the level of the spell" wording a lot. In general, when I play, I use the following rule: Heighten: It is a spell of the higher level for all purposes. Any other metamagic feat: It is a spell of the higher level for any thing that the caster wants it to be lower, but a spell of the lower level for anything that the caster wants it to be higher. While this is not written in the books, I have found this wording to both: 1) be fairer, preventing munchkin abuses 2) be effectively what WoTC uses in any Sage Advice answer, Living City game, etc. etc.