Casting defensively still provokes an AoO? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Casting defensively still provokes an AoO? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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thadrine
05-19-06, 10:07 PM I have a problem and could use some guidance. A player can choose to cast a spell defensively, if successful it does not provoke an attack of opportunity. What if it is a touch spell? Performing any kink of melee attack unarmed still does provoke an AoO without special feats or whatever. Am I right in thinking this, or does the spell make the attack armed for the sake of not provoking an AoO?
Esponer
05-19-06, 10:08 PM In a bizarre twist of logic, when a clumsy spellcaster reaches out to touch somebody and thus deliver a touch spell, they provoke no attack of opportunity.
thadrine
05-19-06, 10:12 PM I like the idea that the spell makes her "Armed."
Karak_Nechot
05-19-06, 10:18 PM Touch Attacks: Touching an opponent with a touch spell is considered to be an armed attack and therefore does not provoke attacks of opportunity. However, the act of casting a spell does provoke an attack of opportunity. Touch attacks come in two types: melee touch attacks and ranged touch attacks. You can score critical hits with either type of attack. Your opponent’s AC against a touch attack does not include any armor bonus, shield bonus, or natural armor bonus. His size modifier, Dexterity modifier, and deflection bonus (if any) all apply normally.

The rules agree with you.
thadrine
05-19-06, 10:22 PM Thanks I was looking for that.
TheFallenWriter
05-19-06, 10:22 PM yes, Nechot is right. The AoO comes form the spell casting, whcih you can negate with defensively casting a spell (DC 15+ spell level).

~The Fallen
AvaronGansdell
05-19-06, 10:51 PM ya little skinny guy in a robe starts waveing his hands you take a swing at him. but if that same little skinny guy is headed at you with his hands glowing black as midnight death in his eyes you probebly dont want to get any closer than you have to.
Father Dale
05-20-06, 04:32 AM ya little skinny guy in a robe starts waveing his hands you take a swing at him. but if that same little skinny guy is headed at you with his hands glowing black as midnight death in his eyes you probebly dont want to get any closer than you have to.

Yeah, that Night's Caress is one nasty spell for 5th lvl.
aotrscommander
05-20-06, 08:42 AM I have a problem and could use some guidance. A player can choose to cast a spell defensively, if successful it does not provoke an attack of opportunity. What if it is a touch spell? Performing any kink of melee attack unarmed still does provoke an AoO without special feats or whatever. Am I right in thinking this, or does the spell make the attack armed for the sake of not provoking an AoO?

Casting defensively does not provoke an AoO. Nor does making an attack with a touch spell (as mentioned, it's counted as armed). So the caster can cast and touch with no problems.
Dragonsblood
05-20-06, 01:49 PM Just an extra FYI, if a caster wants they can cast a touch spell away from their target and hold the charge as long as they want. Then on any future turn they can make a touch attack. The catch is that if they forget they had a charge held and accidently touch themselves or a friend, the spell still discharges. They also can't hold multiple spells at once.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
thadrine 05-19-06, 10:07 PM	I have a problem and could use some guidance. A player can choose to cast a spell defensively, if successful it does not provoke an attack of opportunity. What if it is a touch spell? Performing any kink of melee attack unarmed still does provoke an AoO without special feats or whatever. Am I right in thinking this, or does the spell make the attack armed for the sake of not provoking an AoO?
Esponer 05-19-06, 10:08 PM	In a bizarre twist of logic, when a clumsy spellcaster reaches out to touch somebody and thus deliver a touch spell, they provoke no attack of opportunity.
thadrine 05-19-06, 10:12 PM	I like the idea that the spell makes her "Armed."
Karak_Nechot 05-19-06, 10:18 PM	Touch Attacks: Touching an opponent with a touch spell is considered to be an armed attack and therefore does not provoke attacks of opportunity. However, the act of casting a spell does provoke an attack of opportunity. Touch attacks come in two types: melee touch attacks and ranged touch attacks. You can score critical hits with either type of attack. Your opponent’s AC against a touch attack does not include any armor bonus, shield bonus, or natural armor bonus. His size modifier, Dexterity modifier, and deflection bonus (if any) all apply normally. The rules agree with you.
thadrine 05-19-06, 10:22 PM	Thanks I was looking for that.
TheFallenWriter 05-19-06, 10:22 PM	yes, Nechot is right. The AoO comes form the spell casting, whcih you can negate with defensively casting a spell (DC 15+ spell level). ~The Fallen
AvaronGansdell 05-19-06, 10:51 PM	ya little skinny guy in a robe starts waveing his hands you take a swing at him. but if that same little skinny guy is headed at you with his hands glowing black as midnight death in his eyes you probebly dont want to get any closer than you have to.
Father Dale 05-20-06, 04:32 AM	ya little skinny guy in a robe starts waveing his hands you take a swing at him. but if that same little skinny guy is headed at you with his hands glowing black as midnight death in his eyes you probebly dont want to get any closer than you have to. Yeah, that Night's Caress is one nasty spell for 5th lvl.
aotrscommander 05-20-06, 08:42 AM	I have a problem and could use some guidance. A player can choose to cast a spell defensively, if successful it does not provoke an attack of opportunity. What if it is a touch spell? Performing any kink of melee attack unarmed still does provoke an AoO without special feats or whatever. Am I right in thinking this, or does the spell make the attack armed for the sake of not provoking an AoO? Casting defensively does not provoke an AoO. Nor does making an attack with a touch spell (as mentioned, it's counted as armed). So the caster can cast and touch with no problems.
Dragonsblood 05-20-06, 01:49 PM	Just an extra FYI, if a caster wants they can cast a touch spell away from their target and hold the charge as long as they want. Then on any future turn they can make a touch attack. The catch is that if they forget they had a charge held and accidently touch themselves or a friend, the spell still discharges. They also can't hold multiple spells at once.