cat's grace & clerics.. any referances? [Archive] - Wizards Community

cat's grace & clerics.. any referances? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Domni Dalrose
10-18-03, 01:19 PM 3.0

I'm trying to find either errata or the book that lists Cat's Grace as a clerical spell. All other's stat enhancing *spells are available to clerics and I can't figure out why Cat's Grace would be any different.

*Eagle's Splendor(cha), Fox's Cunning(int), Bull Strength(str), Owl's Wisdom(wis), Endurance(con) per Tome & Blood and PHB.

Has anyone seen any official information on adding Cat's Grace to the 2nd level clerical list?
Koralis
10-18-03, 02:07 PM If you get the Celerity prestige domain you'll get access to Cats Grace.
AlfaMale26
10-18-03, 02:09 PM Cat's Grace was included in several 3e prestige domains, but was never a core spell to the cleric class. You can find it included in the Elf and Halfling domains (FRCS) and in the Celerity domain (DotF). Otherwise, Cat's Grace is unavailable as a divine spell.
CrimsonRyoko
10-18-03, 08:45 PM Ah once again why i love my Sorc/Mys/MT :)
Seeker95
10-19-03, 08:16 AM Mostly related...

Has anybody detected / deduced / created a reason the various ability enhancement spells are not all both arcane and divine? I cannot detect a pattern, and while I can accept that they fall into different realms, I cannot figure out why.
d_nychus
10-19-03, 08:20 AM It's mostly what "seems" appropriate, but not all people agree on the "seeming" so we get a few problems from time to time.

The reason clerics don't have Kittie's Grace is because Cleric's ain't exactly known for bein' light on their toes. Well, at least not without domains.
Seeker95
10-19-03, 08:43 AM d_nychus, I had thought about that, but then realized that's exactly why the cleric would need such a spell. To make up for the lack!

I think this will be one of those questions where the answer really is... just because!
d_nychus
10-19-03, 09:25 AM It makes more sense when you realize that spells are actually mostly to suppliment strengths and not overcome weaknesses.
Domni Dalrose
10-19-03, 11:36 AM It makes more sense when you realize that spells are actually mostly to suppliment strengths and not overcome weaknesses.

That makes sense until the cleric got the spell Fox's Cunning which enhances Intelligence. Int imo is the second least important stat for a cleric, the first being Dex.

Ahh well, it still doesn't help my character's situation. :(
Seeker95
10-19-03, 02:27 PM Originally posted by d_nychus
It makes more sense when you realize that spells are actually mostly to suppliment strengths and not overcome weaknesses.

You mean like:
Mage Armor, Shield, Cure X Wounds, Protection from Elements?
:P

If the buff spells were personal, that would make more sense. But they aren't, which means it can be assumed the spells are also to be used on others... others with different strengths than the caster's.

In my campaign, all of the animal-name ability-buff spells are usable by both arcane and divine casters (including druids and bards). But the core rules take precedence as soon as you move from one campaign to another. I still suspect the reason for the limited access is just because.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Domni Dalrose 10-18-03, 01:19 PM	3.0 I'm trying to find either errata or the book that lists Cat's Grace as a clerical spell. All other's stat enhancing spells are available to clerics and I can't figure out why Cat's Grace would be any different. Eagle's Splendor(cha), Fox's Cunning(int), Bull Strength(str), Owl's Wisdom(wis), Endurance(con) per Tome & Blood and PHB. Has anyone seen any official information on adding Cat's Grace to the 2nd level clerical list?
Koralis 10-18-03, 02:07 PM	If you get the Celerity prestige domain you'll get access to Cats Grace.
AlfaMale26 10-18-03, 02:09 PM	Cat's Grace was included in several 3e prestige domains, but was never a core spell to the cleric class. You can find it included in the Elf and Halfling domains (FRCS) and in the Celerity domain (DotF). Otherwise, Cat's Grace is unavailable as a divine spell.
CrimsonRyoko 10-18-03, 08:45 PM	Ah once again why i love my Sorc/Mys/MT :)
Seeker95 10-19-03, 08:16 AM	Mostly related... Has anybody detected / deduced / created a reason the various ability enhancement spells are not all both arcane and divine? I cannot detect a pattern, and while I can accept that they fall into different realms, I cannot figure out why.
d_nychus 10-19-03, 08:20 AM	It's mostly what "seems" appropriate, but not all people agree on the "seeming" so we get a few problems from time to time. The reason clerics don't have Kittie's Grace is because Cleric's ain't exactly known for bein' light on their toes. Well, at least not without domains.
Seeker95 10-19-03, 08:43 AM	d_nychus, I had thought about that, but then realized that's exactly why the cleric would need such a spell. To make up for the lack! I think this will be one of those questions where the answer really is... just because!
d_nychus 10-19-03, 09:25 AM	It makes more sense when you realize that spells are actually mostly to suppliment strengths and not overcome weaknesses.
Domni Dalrose 10-19-03, 11:36 AM	It makes more sense when you realize that spells are actually mostly to suppliment strengths and not overcome weaknesses. That makes sense until the cleric got the spell Fox's Cunning which enhances Intelligence. Int imo is the second least important stat for a cleric, the first being Dex. Ahh well, it still doesn't help my character's situation. :(
Seeker95 10-19-03, 02:27 PM	Originally posted by d_nychus It makes more sense when you realize that spells are actually mostly to suppliment strengths and not overcome weaknesses. You mean like: Mage Armor, Shield, Cure X Wounds, Protection from Elements? :P If the buff spells were personal, that would make more sense. But they aren't, which means it can be assumed the spells are also to be used on others... others with different strengths than the caster's. In my campaign, all of the animal-name ability-buff spells are usable by both arcane and divine casters (including druids and bards). But the core rules take precedence as soon as you move from one campaign to another. I still suspect the reason for the limited access is just because.