Chameleon and Magic Feats [Archive] - Wizards Community

Chameleon and Magic Feats [Archive] - Wizards Community

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arjomanes
11-23-06, 12:45 AM Is a chameleon considered a caster, or a class capable of casting spells for the purpose of qualifying for and using metamagic and item creation feats, while he is mimicking a spell-casting class?

For example, can a rogue 5/chameleon 3, mimicking a wizard, take as the chameleon 2nd level feat scribe scroll? Could he then create scrolls as a 6th level wizard, using the usual item creation rules?

Could he take a metamagic feat as if he were a wizard?

EDIT: To be more precise, I am referring to the 'aptitude focus' ability rather than the 'mimic class feature' ability. The wording is: "You gain the ability to prepare and cast arcane spells, which may be chosen from the spell list of any arcane spellcasting class. You prepare and cast these spells just as a wizard does, including the use of a spellbook. . .Your caster level is equal to twice your class level."
Saytr
11-23-06, 02:15 AM Nope

No chameleon class ability (BAB, base saves, skills and character level aside) can be used to qualify for anything.

It's in the class description. It's a nesscessary balancing factor IMHO.

If the feat has no prereqs he can.
NoldorForce
11-23-06, 10:48 AM Most metamagic feats have no actual prerequisites, however, allowing you to take and use them as Chameleon floating feats.

More specifically, most of the stuff mimiced by the Chameleon PrC cannot be used as prerequisites--the exception is the floating feat.

That said, it is perfectly possible to qualify for an ability by some other means and then apply it to chameleon class features. You could, for instance, take a level of sorcerer and the Practiced Spellcaster feat, which would qualify you for Craft Wondrous Item. After taking THAT feat (probably through the Chameleon floating feat)...you could use your Chameleon casting to make magic items.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
arjomanes 11-23-06, 12:45 AM	Is a chameleon considered a caster, or a class capable of casting spells for the purpose of qualifying for and using metamagic and item creation feats, while he is mimicking a spell-casting class? For example, can a rogue 5/chameleon 3, mimicking a wizard, take as the chameleon 2nd level feat scribe scroll? Could he then create scrolls as a 6th level wizard, using the usual item creation rules? Could he take a metamagic feat as if he were a wizard? EDIT: To be more precise, I am referring to the 'aptitude focus' ability rather than the 'mimic class feature' ability. The wording is: "You gain the ability to prepare and cast arcane spells, which may be chosen from the spell list of any arcane spellcasting class. You prepare and cast these spells just as a wizard does, including the use of a spellbook. . .Your caster level is equal to twice your class level."
Saytr 11-23-06, 02:15 AM	Nope No chameleon class ability (BAB, base saves, skills and character level aside) can be used to qualify for anything. It's in the class description. It's a nesscessary balancing factor IMHO. If the feat has no prereqs he can.
NoldorForce 11-23-06, 10:48 AM	Most metamagic feats have no actual prerequisites, however, allowing you to take and use them as Chameleon floating feats. More specifically, most of the stuff mimiced by the Chameleon PrC cannot be used as prerequisites--the exception is the floating feat. That said, it is perfectly possible to qualify for an ability by some other means and then apply it to chameleon class features. You could, for instance, take a level of sorcerer and the Practiced Spellcaster feat, which would qualify you for Craft Wondrous Item. After taking THAT feat (probably through the Chameleon floating feat)...you could use your Chameleon casting to make magic items.