CL boost at lvl 1 [Archive] - Wizards Community

CL boost at lvl 1 [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Amaranth
11-26-07, 12:07 PM Howdy all. I'm looking at making a warmage for an arena match at rustmonster.net/forum (you should all go check it out, its a great site with great people!) ok, so the obligatory plug being taken care of, on to my question.

What ways are there to boost your caster level at level 1? I'm looking for feats or alternative class features, and the spell I have in mind is magic missile. Thanks!
Armendil
11-27-07, 05:17 PM I don't think there is any such feat or class ability.

The only way for a spellcaster to boost CL at first level, that I can think of, is an optional rule from Unearthed Arcana that allows and Evoker to trade his familiar for an elemental affinity that grants CL + 1 with spells using one type of element.

The quickest way I know for warmage to boost the CL of magic missle is to take a force-based Reserve Feat, but I believe (off the top of my head) this requires the ability to cast either 2nd or 3rd level arcane spells.
rainy
11-30-07, 11:45 AM The practised spellcaster feat increases your CL by 4.

I can't remember if it has any prerequisites which would exclude you from using it at 1st level though.

-rainy
Eerongal
11-30-07, 11:52 AM The practised spellcaster feat increases your CL by 4.

I can't remember if it has any prerequisites which would exclude you from using it at 1st level though.

-rainy

It's capped by your HD. Meaning at level 1, it caps at level 1. Now, if you were, say, a fighter 4, warmage 1, then you could get the full benefit of it.
rainy
11-30-07, 11:57 AM Ah, okay forgot about that. Which book is practised spellcaster from again?

-rainy
Dispater24
11-30-07, 12:26 PM in complete arcana
DiceGolem
12-01-07, 01:38 PM Unearthed Arcana has the Spellgifted trait, giving you a +1 CL to one school for a -1 CL to all others.
Damned slayer
12-01-07, 02:11 PM only thing i see arcanist gloves in Magic item compendium for 500Gp
Grod_The_Giant
12-01-07, 11:30 PM I don't think you can. Anyway, a +1 to CL wouldn't help magic missle. You'd need to get to CL 3 to get another missle.
imagiqc
12-02-07, 11:07 PM Please allow me to present the first serving of cheese:

Imagine all of the following applied to one character. (Wu Jen, Comlpete Arcane, pg. 10-13)

Trait: Spellgifted (+1 CL to chosen School of magic, -1 to all others, permanently) In this example we'll choose Evocation (Unearthed Arcana, pg. 90)

Firey Burst feat (Reserve): Benefit: As long as you have a fire spell of 2nd level or
higher available to cast, you can spend a standard action to
create a 5-foot-radius burst of fire at a range of 30 feet. This
burst deals ld6 points of fire damage per level of the highestlevel
fire spell you have available to cast. A successful Reflex
save halves the damage.
As a secondary benefit, you gain a +1 competence bonus
to your caster level when casting fire spells.
This feat would need to be gained at or after 3rd level, to satisfy the need to cast 2nd level spells (Complete Mage, pg. 43)

Arcane Thesis feat: +2 CL to one spell (Fireball, for this example) and add -1 level modification for each metamagic feat applied to this spell. This feat would have to be gained at 5th level or after because of the requirements. (PHB II pg. 74-75)

Elemental Mastery, Wu Jen class feature: +2 CL with one Element of their choice (Fire for this example)

So, so far we've got a 6th level Wu Jen that can cast Fireball spells as if she were 12th level.

(Edit: Then there is the Orange Prism Ioun stone (standard Magic item, DMG 3.5), and while there isn't any limit listed in the DMG, and the bonus is untyped and therefore stackable, I don't know a DM that wouldn't choke on a PC trying to benefit from 10 orange Prism Ioun stones. 3 to 5 is a more practical limit, in reality.
And if the Wu Jen were to take a flaw at first level and take the Heighten Spell metamagic feat, because of the -1 level level from Arcane Thesis, she'd get another free +1 CL. [+1 CL for one use of heighten, -1 CL from Arcane Thesis, net change=0. So, 13th level, fireball anyone? 18th level if you're in a Monty Haul with 5 orange prisms circling your head at 6th level. LOL!)

Can anyone top that? :cool:

Now, I understand it's not limited to 1st level.... But still good to know, No?

Still more +CL cheese is to be found here: http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=615672
Darth Sephiroth
12-03-07, 08:19 PM Snowcasting from Frostburn can give one. Snow has no cost so you can void most of it by having Eschew Materials or a Spell Components Pouch

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Amaranth 11-26-07, 12:07 PM	Howdy all. I'm looking at making a warmage for an arena match at rustmonster.net/forum (you should all go check it out, its a great site with great people!) ok, so the obligatory plug being taken care of, on to my question. What ways are there to boost your caster level at level 1? I'm looking for feats or alternative class features, and the spell I have in mind is magic missile. Thanks!
Armendil 11-27-07, 05:17 PM	I don't think there is any such feat or class ability. The only way for a spellcaster to boost CL at first level, that I can think of, is an optional rule from Unearthed Arcana that allows and Evoker to trade his familiar for an elemental affinity that grants CL + 1 with spells using one type of element. The quickest way I know for warmage to boost the CL of magic missle is to take a force-based Reserve Feat, but I believe (off the top of my head) this requires the ability to cast either 2nd or 3rd level arcane spells.
rainy 11-30-07, 11:45 AM	The practised spellcaster feat increases your CL by 4. I can't remember if it has any prerequisites which would exclude you from using it at 1st level though. -rainy
Eerongal 11-30-07, 11:52 AM	The practised spellcaster feat increases your CL by 4. I can't remember if it has any prerequisites which would exclude you from using it at 1st level though. -rainy It's capped by your HD. Meaning at level 1, it caps at level 1. Now, if you were, say, a fighter 4, warmage 1, then you could get the full benefit of it.
rainy 11-30-07, 11:57 AM	Ah, okay forgot about that. Which book is practised spellcaster from again? -rainy
Dispater24 11-30-07, 12:26 PM	in complete arcana
DiceGolem 12-01-07, 01:38 PM	Unearthed Arcana has the Spellgifted trait, giving you a +1 CL to one school for a -1 CL to all others.
Damned slayer 12-01-07, 02:11 PM	only thing i see arcanist gloves in Magic item compendium for 500Gp
Grod_The_Giant 12-01-07, 11:30 PM	I don't think you can. Anyway, a +1 to CL wouldn't help magic missle. You'd need to get to CL 3 to get another missle.
imagiqc 12-02-07, 11:07 PM	Please allow me to present the first serving of cheese: Imagine all of the following applied to one character. (Wu Jen, Comlpete Arcane, pg. 10-13) Trait: Spellgifted (+1 CL to chosen School of magic, -1 to all others, permanently) In this example we'll choose Evocation (Unearthed Arcana, pg. 90) Firey Burst feat (Reserve): Benefit: As long as you have a fire spell of 2nd level or higher available to cast, you can spend a standard action to create a 5-foot-radius burst of fire at a range of 30 feet. This burst deals ld6 points of fire damage per level of the highestlevel fire spell you have available to cast. A successful Reflex save halves the damage. As a secondary benefit, you gain a +1 competence bonus to your caster level when casting fire spells. This feat would need to be gained at or after 3rd level, to satisfy the need to cast 2nd level spells (Complete Mage, pg. 43) Arcane Thesis feat: +2 CL to one spell (Fireball, for this example) and add -1 level modification for each metamagic feat applied to this spell. This feat would have to be gained at 5th level or after because of the requirements. (PHB II pg. 74-75) Elemental Mastery, Wu Jen class feature: +2 CL with one Element of their choice (Fire for this example) So, so far we've got a 6th level Wu Jen that can cast Fireball spells as if she were 12th level. (Edit: Then there is the Orange Prism Ioun stone (standard Magic item, DMG 3.5), and while there isn't any limit listed in the DMG, and the bonus is untyped and therefore stackable, I don't know a DM that wouldn't choke on a PC trying to benefit from 10 orange Prism Ioun stones. 3 to 5 is a more practical limit, in reality. And if the Wu Jen were to take a flaw at first level and take the Heighten Spell metamagic feat, because of the -1 level level from Arcane Thesis, she'd get another free +1 CL. [+1 CL for one use of heighten, -1 CL from Arcane Thesis, net change=0. So, 13th level, fireball anyone? 18th level if you're in a Monty Haul with 5 orange prisms circling your head at 6th level. LOL!) Can anyone top that? :cool: Now, I understand it's not limited to 1st level.... But still good to know, No? Still more +CL cheese is to be found here: http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=615672
Darth Sephiroth 12-03-07, 08:19 PM	Snowcasting from Frostburn can give one. Snow has no cost so you can void most of it by having Eschew Materials or a Spell Components Pouch