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JellyPooga
04-30-07, 08:09 AM I don't have my books on me at the mo and just had an idea, but can't remember the details I need to.

In Complete Arcane (I think) there's rules for Crafting a Contigency or Contingent Spell or some-such. Basically a non-slotted item that casts a spell once when a parameter is met. My question is this:

Can you Craft a Contingent Reincarnate or Resurrection to activate "When I die"? Or do those Contingent things automatically stop working when you're dead or something (thus negating the parameter)?

It's not actually for a character I'm planning or anything, just a query.
penchant
04-30-07, 09:31 AM Contingent spells stay until activated or dispelled. The book makes specific reference about spells going off on corpses hundreds of years after the fact. So yes, contingent resurrection is viable and a good idea.
Lixith
04-30-07, 02:41 PM i just looked it up, and it says death can be a trigger. Seems pretty handy.
Yusari
04-30-07, 02:51 PM now, if only there were a way to make the psionic revivify power into a contingent effect... we could even avoid level loss... *ponders* a psionic version of contingent spells... *wanders off to create a home-brew item*
penchant
05-01-07, 01:24 AM What's even handier is that you can have one contingent spell PER HIT DIE! Beats the hell out of contingency.

I wonder if you can make spells contingent based upon how many times you die? "OK, this contingent true resurrection is for the first time I die, this one is for the second time I die, this one..."

Of course, the command word contingencies (all tied to the same command word) are a great tactic, though expensive to pull off.
Gnarl
05-01-07, 03:25 PM What's even handier is that you can have one contingent spell PER HIT DIE! Beats the hell out of contingency.

It's not that good :D. My players loved it until they discovered how easy it was to get rid of the contingent spells: they can be dispelled by a dispel magic and the dispel check is against the contingent spell's caster level.

As a side note, there is a spell called Death Pact (Spell Compendium) that kind of does what you want, except it's cheaper and doesn't cost you a level.
PhaedrusXY
05-01-07, 03:30 PM now, if only there were a way to make the psionic revivify power into a contingent effect... we could even avoid level loss... *ponders* a psionic version of contingent spells... *wanders off to create a home-brew item*There is a Revivify spell. There is also a Psionic Contingency power.
Puca
05-01-07, 03:36 PM It's not that good :D. My players loved it until they discovered how easy it was to get rid of the contingent spells: they can be dispelled by a dispel magic and the dispel check is against the contingent spell's caster level.I dont have the book to verify this, but arent the contingencies made with the Craft Contingency Spell feat technically "items?"

If so, wouldnt they then follow the rules for items when subjected to Dispel Magic, i.e. merely suppressed for a short time?
penchant
05-01-07, 10:29 PM I dont have the book to verify this, but arent the contingencies made with the Craft Contingency Spell feat technically "items?"

If so, wouldnt they then follow the rules for items when subjected to Dispel Magic, i.e. merely suppressed for a short time?

I think you are correct. it is a craft feat, takes gold and XP and is permanent until used. Therefore it follows item rules! Definitely better than contingency spell, and the various pacts even since those are spells.

Good work Puca! :cookie:
ArcTan
05-02-07, 04:34 AM MIC says that Craft feats should be treated as magic/psionic transparent when possible.
Zaistars69
05-02-07, 11:25 AM spells put on contingency don't count as items. they can be dispelled with a dispel magic just like a normal contingency. It's on page 139 of complete arcane second to last paragraph of the contingency section. This really makes it poor enough that I would almost never use it. If it did work like an item so dispel would not be able to completely get rid of it it would be worth a feat and a massive amount of gold and xp.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
JellyPooga 04-30-07, 08:09 AM	I don't have my books on me at the mo and just had an idea, but can't remember the details I need to. In Complete Arcane (I think) there's rules for Crafting a Contigency or Contingent Spell or some-such. Basically a non-slotted item that casts a spell once when a parameter is met. My question is this: Can you Craft a Contingent Reincarnate or Resurrection to activate "When I die"? Or do those Contingent things automatically stop working when you're dead or something (thus negating the parameter)? It's not actually for a character I'm planning or anything, just a query.
penchant 04-30-07, 09:31 AM	Contingent spells stay until activated or dispelled. The book makes specific reference about spells going off on corpses hundreds of years after the fact. So yes, contingent resurrection is viable and a good idea.
Lixith 04-30-07, 02:41 PM	i just looked it up, and it says death can be a trigger. Seems pretty handy.
Yusari 04-30-07, 02:51 PM	now, if only there were a way to make the psionic revivify power into a contingent effect... we could even avoid level loss... ponders a psionic version of contingent spells... wanders off to create a home-brew item
penchant 05-01-07, 01:24 AM	What's even handier is that you can have one contingent spell PER HIT DIE! Beats the hell out of contingency. I wonder if you can make spells contingent based upon how many times you die? "OK, this contingent true resurrection is for the first time I die, this one is for the second time I die, this one..." Of course, the command word contingencies (all tied to the same command word) are a great tactic, though expensive to pull off.
Gnarl 05-01-07, 03:25 PM	What's even handier is that you can have one contingent spell PER HIT DIE! Beats the hell out of contingency. It's not that good :D. My players loved it until they discovered how easy it was to get rid of the contingent spells: they can be dispelled by a dispel magic and the dispel check is against the contingent spell's caster level. As a side note, there is a spell called Death Pact (Spell Compendium) that kind of does what you want, except it's cheaper and doesn't cost you a level.
PhaedrusXY 05-01-07, 03:30 PM	now, if only there were a way to make the psionic revivify power into a contingent effect... we could even avoid level loss... ponders a psionic version of contingent spells... wanders off to create a home-brew itemThere is a Revivify spell. There is also a Psionic Contingency power.
Puca 05-01-07, 03:36 PM	It's not that good :D. My players loved it until they discovered how easy it was to get rid of the contingent spells: they can be dispelled by a dispel magic and the dispel check is against the contingent spell's caster level.I dont have the book to verify this, but arent the contingencies made with the Craft Contingency Spell feat technically "items?" If so, wouldnt they then follow the rules for items when subjected to Dispel Magic, i.e. merely suppressed for a short time?
penchant 05-01-07, 10:29 PM	I dont have the book to verify this, but arent the contingencies made with the Craft Contingency Spell feat technically "items?" If so, wouldnt they then follow the rules for items when subjected to Dispel Magic, i.e. merely suppressed for a short time? I think you are correct. it is a craft feat, takes gold and XP and is permanent until used. Therefore it follows item rules! Definitely better than contingency spell, and the various pacts even since those are spells. Good work Puca! :cookie:
ArcTan 05-02-07, 04:34 AM	MIC says that Craft feats should be treated as magic/psionic transparent when possible.
Zaistars69 05-02-07, 11:25 AM	spells put on contingency don't count as items. they can be dispelled with a dispel magic just like a normal contingency. It's on page 139 of complete arcane second to last paragraph of the contingency section. This really makes it poor enough that I would almost never use it. If it did work like an item so dispel would not be able to completely get rid of it it would be worth a feat and a massive amount of gold and xp.