Cost of using Golem Manuals [Archive] - Wizards Community

Cost of using Golem Manuals [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
Ramble
10-01-06, 06:44 AM Can anyone clarify for a dummy like me what costs and the like go into making a golem with a golem manual? Using the Clay golem for the example...

Golem Manual: A golem manual contains information, incantations and magical power that help a character to craft a golem. The instructions therein grant a +5 competence bonus on skill checks made to craft the golem’s body. Each manual also holds the prerequisite spells needed for a specific golem, effectively grants the builder use of the Craft Construct feat during the construction of the golem, and grants the character an increase to her caster level for the purpose of crafting a golem. Any golem built using a golem manual does not cost the creator any XP, since the requisite XP are “contained” in the book and “expended” by the book during the creation process.
The spells included in a golem manual require a spell trigger activation and can be activated only to assist in the construction of a golem. The cost of the book does not include the cost of constructing the golem’s body. Once the golem is finished, the writing in the manual fades and the book is consumed in flames. When the book’s ashes are sprinkled upon the golem, it becomes fully animated.
Clay Golem Manual: The book contains animate objects, bless, commune, prayer, and resurrection. The reader may treat her caster level as two levels higher than normal for the purpose of crafting a clay golem. The book supplies 1,540 XP for the creation of a clay golem.
Moderate conjuration, divination, enchantment, and transmutation; CL 11th; Craft Construct, creator must be caster level 11th, animate objects, commune, prayer, resurrection; Price 12,000 gp; Cost 2,150 gp + 1,712 XP; Weight 5 lb.

And the actual Clay creation of:

Construction
A clay golem’s body must be sculpted from a single block of clay weighing at least 1,000 pounds, treated with rare oils and powders worth 1,500 gp. Creating the body requires a DC 15 Craft (sculpting) check or a DC 15 Craft (pottery) check.
CL 11th; Craft Construct, animate objects, commune, resurrection, caster must be at least 11th level; Price 40,000 gp; Cost 21,500 gp + 1,540 XP.

So with the book, a ninth level (9+2 from the manual to reach the 11 required) caster could a clay golem, not having to pay any XP. However does he only need to pay the cost of making the body (1500gp of rare oils and powders and the cost of getting the clay if he doesn't locate his own supply), or is the cost the full 21,500gp?

Ramble.
User5127
10-01-06, 07:42 AM "The cost of the book does not include the cost of constructing the golem’s body"

so you will need to still buy the body.

hope that helps. ^_^
Ramble
10-02-06, 12:04 AM Not really :P

What I am looking for is how much of the total golem cost is the body cost not supplied by the book? In the example of the clay golem, is it the 21500, or just the 1500?

Is making the book a way to burn xp to lower the gold cost of making the golem.

Ramble.
utilitarian
10-02-06, 12:23 AM Well since the book only says it DOESN"T cover the cost of the body, we can assume that it covers everything else, and the only thing you need to buy is the body components (1500)
Loki5654
10-02-06, 12:31 AM Golem Manual

A golem manual contains information, incantations and magical power that help a character to craft a golem. The instructions therein grant a +5 competence bonus on skill checks made to craft the golem’s body. Each manual also holds the prerequisite spells needed for a specific golem, effectively grants the builder use of the Craft Construct feat during the construction of the golem, and grants the character an increase to her caster level for the purpose of crafting a golem. Any golem built using a golem manual does not cost the creator any XP, since the requisite XP are "contained" in the book and "expended" by the book during the creation process.

The spells included in a golem manual require a spell trigger activation and can be activated only to assist in the construction of a golem. The cost of the book does not include the cost of constructing the golem’s body. Once the golem is finished, the writing in the manual fades and the book is consumed in flames. When the book’s ashes are sprinkled upon the golem, it becomes fully animated.
All you have to pay is the material cost. Which is 21,500gp (1500gp for oils and stuff, 20,000gp for half a ton of clay. Not a bad price: 20gp per pound for top quality clay).
Ramble
10-02-06, 09:47 PM All you have to pay is the material cost. Which is 21,500gp (1500gp for oils and stuff, 20,000gp for half a ton of clay. Not a bad price: 20gp per pound for top quality clay).

Seems a waste to bother with the book then.

Dear lord, 10,000gp to grave robbers for six corpses for a flesh golem... :P

Thanks all,

Ramble.
risner
10-02-06, 10:25 PM Seems a waste to bother with the book then.
.

The book provides Craft Construct.
If you have the feat Craft Construct, you wouldn't want the book.
If you are missing the feat Craft Construct, you may feel paying money for the book better than burning a feat.
Loki5654
10-03-06, 12:29 AM The book provides Craft Construct.
If you have the feat Craft Construct, you wouldn't want the book.
If you are missing the feat Craft Construct, you may feel paying money for the book better than burning a feat.
BINGO!

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Ramble 10-01-06, 06:44 AM	Can anyone clarify for a dummy like me what costs and the like go into making a golem with a golem manual? Using the Clay golem for the example... Golem Manual: A golem manual contains information, incantations and magical power that help a character to craft a golem. The instructions therein grant a +5 competence bonus on skill checks made to craft the golem’s body. Each manual also holds the prerequisite spells needed for a specific golem, effectively grants the builder use of the Craft Construct feat during the construction of the golem, and grants the character an increase to her caster level for the purpose of crafting a golem. Any golem built using a golem manual does not cost the creator any XP, since the requisite XP are “contained” in the book and “expended” by the book during the creation process. The spells included in a golem manual require a spell trigger activation and can be activated only to assist in the construction of a golem. The cost of the book does not include the cost of constructing the golem’s body. Once the golem is finished, the writing in the manual fades and the book is consumed in flames. When the book’s ashes are sprinkled upon the golem, it becomes fully animated. Clay Golem Manual: The book contains animate objects, bless, commune, prayer, and resurrection. The reader may treat her caster level as two levels higher than normal for the purpose of crafting a clay golem. The book supplies 1,540 XP for the creation of a clay golem. Moderate conjuration, divination, enchantment, and transmutation; CL 11th; Craft Construct, creator must be caster level 11th, animate objects, commune, prayer, resurrection; Price 12,000 gp; Cost 2,150 gp + 1,712 XP; Weight 5 lb. And the actual Clay creation of: Construction A clay golem’s body must be sculpted from a single block of clay weighing at least 1,000 pounds, treated with rare oils and powders worth 1,500 gp. Creating the body requires a DC 15 Craft (sculpting) check or a DC 15 Craft (pottery) check. CL 11th; Craft Construct, animate objects, commune, resurrection, caster must be at least 11th level; Price 40,000 gp; Cost 21,500 gp + 1,540 XP. So with the book, a ninth level (9+2 from the manual to reach the 11 required) caster could a clay golem, not having to pay any XP. However does he only need to pay the cost of making the body (1500gp of rare oils and powders and the cost of getting the clay if he doesn't locate his own supply), or is the cost the full 21,500gp? Ramble.
User5127 10-01-06, 07:42 AM	"The cost of the book does not include the cost of constructing the golem’s body" so you will need to still buy the body. hope that helps. ^_^
Ramble 10-02-06, 12:04 AM	Not really :P What I am looking for is how much of the total golem cost is the body cost not supplied by the book? In the example of the clay golem, is it the 21500, or just the 1500? Is making the book a way to burn xp to lower the gold cost of making the golem. Ramble.
utilitarian 10-02-06, 12:23 AM	Well since the book only says it DOESN"T cover the cost of the body, we can assume that it covers everything else, and the only thing you need to buy is the body components (1500)
Loki5654 10-02-06, 12:31 AM	Golem Manual A golem manual contains information, incantations and magical power that help a character to craft a golem. The instructions therein grant a +5 competence bonus on skill checks made to craft the golem’s body. Each manual also holds the prerequisite spells needed for a specific golem, effectively grants the builder use of the Craft Construct feat during the construction of the golem, and grants the character an increase to her caster level for the purpose of crafting a golem. Any golem built using a golem manual does not cost the creator any XP, since the requisite XP are "contained" in the book and "expended" by the book during the creation process. The spells included in a golem manual require a spell trigger activation and can be activated only to assist in the construction of a golem. The cost of the book does not include the cost of constructing the golem’s body. Once the golem is finished, the writing in the manual fades and the book is consumed in flames. When the book’s ashes are sprinkled upon the golem, it becomes fully animated. All you have to pay is the material cost. Which is 21,500gp (1500gp for oils and stuff, 20,000gp for half a ton of clay. Not a bad price: 20gp per pound for top quality clay).
Ramble 10-02-06, 09:47 PM	All you have to pay is the material cost. Which is 21,500gp (1500gp for oils and stuff, 20,000gp for half a ton of clay. Not a bad price: 20gp per pound for top quality clay). Seems a waste to bother with the book then. Dear lord, 10,000gp to grave robbers for six corpses for a flesh golem... :P Thanks all, Ramble.
risner 10-02-06, 10:25 PM	Seems a waste to bother with the book then. . The book provides Craft Construct. If you have the feat Craft Construct, you wouldn't want the book. If you are missing the feat Craft Construct, you may feel paying money for the book better than burning a feat.
Loki5654 10-03-06, 12:29 AM	The book provides Craft Construct. If you have the feat Craft Construct, you wouldn't want the book. If you are missing the feat Craft Construct, you may feel paying money for the book better than burning a feat. BINGO!