Counter spell [Archive] - Wizards Community

Counter spell [Archive] - Wizards Community

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lutz_the_mage
04-04-06, 09:43 AM Is there a range for counter spell. Dispel magic have a range of medium. But I find no where if you can counter spell at a maximum range. Please help me.
Thanks
SureFoot
04-04-06, 09:57 AM This line from the SRD:

"To use a counterspell, you must select an opponent as the target of the counterspell."

leads me to believe that the target of the counterspell must be in range of the spell you're going to use to counter the target's spell. (I don't know if the PHB has a more definitive description, the book isn't in front of me.)

So, if you want to counter a touch spell, you'll have to touch the guy. If you want to counter a fireball, that's Long range. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong--and if you can cite the proper source!
VrecknidjX
04-04-06, 11:11 AM Last I checked, there were two ways to counterspell (but, I could be wrong).

A) You cast the same spell. In this case, the range is the spell's range.
B) You have the feat that allows you to cast a spell of the same school to counter the spell. In this case, the range is this other spell's range.

That's my guess.

Dave
tarkin
04-04-06, 12:24 PM I disagree.

If you use that interpreation, then you could not counterspell spells with a range of personal at all, and only touch spells if you were touching them.

Such a major restriction would have been stated clearly, not implied by an unstated rule.

For me, Counterspelling simply requires line of sight and line of effect.
ClementWillowbreaker
04-04-06, 03:06 PM I'm with Tarkin on this one. While limiting Fireball to long-range countering sorta makes sense, it breaks down on the low end (where most spells actually are).
Nom
04-04-06, 07:21 PM PH pg 170 explicitly says "If the target is in range, both spells automatically negate each other with no other results". There is some ambiguity as to what the "target" is - is it the target of your counterspell (which is how target is used throughout the rules section under discussion) or the target of the countered spell?

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
lutz_the_mage 04-04-06, 09:43 AM	Is there a range for counter spell. Dispel magic have a range of medium. But I find no where if you can counter spell at a maximum range. Please help me. Thanks
SureFoot 04-04-06, 09:57 AM	This line from the SRD: "To use a counterspell, you must select an opponent as the target of the counterspell." leads me to believe that the target of the counterspell must be in range of the spell you're going to use to counter the target's spell. (I don't know if the PHB has a more definitive description, the book isn't in front of me.) So, if you want to counter a touch spell, you'll have to touch the guy. If you want to counter a fireball, that's Long range. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong--and if you can cite the proper source!
VrecknidjX 04-04-06, 11:11 AM	Last I checked, there were two ways to counterspell (but, I could be wrong). A) You cast the same spell. In this case, the range is the spell's range. B) You have the feat that allows you to cast a spell of the same school to counter the spell. In this case, the range is this other spell's range. That's my guess. Dave
tarkin 04-04-06, 12:24 PM	I disagree. If you use that interpreation, then you could not counterspell spells with a range of personal at all, and only touch spells if you were touching them. Such a major restriction would have been stated clearly, not implied by an unstated rule. For me, Counterspelling simply requires line of sight and line of effect.
ClementWillowbreaker 04-04-06, 03:06 PM	I'm with Tarkin on this one. While limiting Fireball to long-range countering sorta makes sense, it breaks down on the low end (where most spells actually are).
Nom 04-04-06, 07:21 PM	PH pg 170 explicitly says "If the target is in range, both spells automatically negate each other with no other results". There is some ambiguity as to what the "target" is - is it the target of your counterspell (which is how target is used throughout the rules section under discussion) or the target of the countered spell?