coup de gras with spells? [Archive] - Wizards Community

coup de gras with spells? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
smrtgmp
06-12-04, 08:49 PM Can you do it with spells that require an attack roll and do damage? It says they are concidered to be weapons for various feats and class abilities, so can it be applied to a coup de gras?
Edymnion
06-12-04, 08:59 PM Yes, you can use weapon-like spells for a CdG. Rays and Energy Missles are both valid weapons for a CdG, you just treat them like a crossbow for CdG purposes (meaning you have to be right next to them, firing point blank, etc).
smrtgmp
06-12-04, 09:03 PM cool, thanks. :)
smrtgmp
06-12-04, 09:41 PM Would it still be a full round action if the spell has a casting time of 1 standard action? I would imagine yes.
Edward
06-12-04, 09:43 PM Yes a full round action.

Edward
smrtgmp
06-12-04, 09:47 PM gracias :)
Vanigo
06-13-04, 11:11 PM I think it'd also provoke two separate AoOs from anything with Combat Reflexes - one for casting the spell, and one for making the CdG.
was_fired
06-13-04, 11:19 PM Of course seeing their face when you auto-crit a disintegrate might be worth it. I mean sure they get a save which if they succeed does only 10d6 plus instant death but for that off chance of 40d6 plus instant death makes it all worth while.
smrtgmp
06-13-04, 11:28 PM Originally posted by Vanigo
I think it'd also provoke two separate AoOs from anything with Combat Reflexes - one for casting the spell, and one for making the CdG.
No single character can make more than one AoO against a single foe in a round (assuming non-epic play).
bitnine
06-13-04, 11:45 PM Originally posted by smrtgmp
No single character can make more than one AoO against a single foe in a round (assuming non-epic play). Combat Reflexes and Additional Attacks of Opportunity: If you have the Combat Reflexes feat you can add your Dexterity modifier to the number of attacks of opportunity you can make in a round. This feat does not let you make more than one attack for a given opportunity, but if the same opponent provokes two attacks of opportunity from you, you could make two separate attacks of opportunity (since each one represents a different opportunity).
was_fired
06-14-04, 12:03 AM smrt, you were right in 3.0 but not in 3.5 as the quote above illustrates.
smrtgmp
06-14-04, 05:20 AM wow, dont know how I missed that.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
smrtgmp 06-12-04, 08:49 PM	Can you do it with spells that require an attack roll and do damage? It says they are concidered to be weapons for various feats and class abilities, so can it be applied to a coup de gras?
Edymnion 06-12-04, 08:59 PM	Yes, you can use weapon-like spells for a CdG. Rays and Energy Missles are both valid weapons for a CdG, you just treat them like a crossbow for CdG purposes (meaning you have to be right next to them, firing point blank, etc).
smrtgmp 06-12-04, 09:03 PM	cool, thanks. :)
smrtgmp 06-12-04, 09:41 PM	Would it still be a full round action if the spell has a casting time of 1 standard action? I would imagine yes.
Edward 06-12-04, 09:43 PM	Yes a full round action. Edward
smrtgmp 06-12-04, 09:47 PM	gracias :)
Vanigo 06-13-04, 11:11 PM	I think it'd also provoke two separate AoOs from anything with Combat Reflexes - one for casting the spell, and one for making the CdG.
was_fired 06-13-04, 11:19 PM	Of course seeing their face when you auto-crit a disintegrate might be worth it. I mean sure they get a save which if they succeed does only 10d6 plus instant death but for that off chance of 40d6 plus instant death makes it all worth while.
smrtgmp 06-13-04, 11:28 PM	Originally posted by Vanigo I think it'd also provoke two separate AoOs from anything with Combat Reflexes - one for casting the spell, and one for making the CdG. No single character can make more than one AoO against a single foe in a round (assuming non-epic play).
bitnine 06-13-04, 11:45 PM	Originally posted by smrtgmp No single character can make more than one AoO against a single foe in a round (assuming non-epic play). Combat Reflexes and Additional Attacks of Opportunity: If you have the Combat Reflexes feat you can add your Dexterity modifier to the number of attacks of opportunity you can make in a round. This feat does not let you make more than one attack for a given opportunity, but if the same opponent provokes two attacks of opportunity from you, you could make two separate attacks of opportunity (since each one represents a different opportunity).
was_fired 06-14-04, 12:03 AM	smrt, you were right in 3.0 but not in 3.5 as the quote above illustrates.
smrtgmp 06-14-04, 05:20 AM	wow, dont know how I missed that.