1 HD creatures [Archive] - Wizards Community

1 HD creatures [Archive] - Wizards Community

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TheGnomishWizard
04-16-04, 09:26 AM Does the rule saying that "1 HD creatures that gain a class level lose that HD and replace it with the class HD" apply to 1 HD creatures with a LA? For instance, does a pixies taking a level of barbarian lose the 1d6 HD it got from being a pixie and replace it with the 1d12 that the barbarian gets?
headlessfriar
04-16-04, 10:18 AM A pixie has 1 level of "type: fey", that's the d6. They keek that an add class levels to it. An orc, goblin, or other ECL 0 races not in the ph are listed in the MM with one level of warrior, for the most part. That level of warrior is removed to be replaced with the class of your choice when using these creatures.

Edit PS:

A barbarian pixie? That's a funny mental image, I love it.
Sarig the Genie
04-16-04, 11:12 AM It applies, I would think, but they'd keep all the nifty stuff that gives them the LA of course ;)
TheGnomishWizard
04-16-04, 01:23 PM Well I've now had two totally opposite answers. Anyone wanna sway the jury a direction?
Sarig the Genie
04-16-04, 02:33 PM Hmm, I think I'm wrong on this one (:
ieattrollsforbreakfast
04-16-04, 03:07 PM Im pretty certain that all monsters, no matter what type they are, lose their racial hit die if it is only 1. Proof that it does not only apply to humanoids can be seen in the entries for Planetouched.
From the SRD:

Aasimar as Characters
Aasimar characters possess the following racial traits.
— +2 Wisdom, +2 Charisma.
—Medium size.
—An aasimar’s base land speed is 30 feet.
—Darkvision: Aasimars can see in the dark up to 60 feet.
—Racial Skills: Aasimars have a +2 racial bonus on Spot and Listen checks.
—Racial Feats: An aasimar gains feats according to its class levels.
—Special Attacks (see above): Daylight.
—Special Qualities (see above): Resistance to acid 5, cold 5, and electricity 5.
—Automatic Languages: Common, Celestial. Bonus Languages: Draconic, Dwarven, Elven, Gnome, Halfling,
Sylvan.
—Favored Class: Paladin.
—Level adjustment +1.

Note that despite the planetouched having the outsider type, they do not retain their 1HD for being Outsiders.

However, the Aasimar still are warriors. I'm going to look in Savage Species for a better answer.

Ah ha! From Savage Species, pg 13 in the siderbar 1 Hit Die Creatures:
"A creature with a single hit die, like all standard-race characters, gives up that hit dice when it gains its first class level."
NightScreamer20
04-16-04, 03:15 PM Even Pixie's drop thier single 1 HD. It says so under 'Pixies as Characters' right after the Pixie stats in the MM 3.5 on page 236. It's in fact the first sentence under the title 'Pixies as Characters'
A pixie character exchanges its 1 HD of fey for its first class level, so a 1st-level pixie sorcerer has a d4 Hit Die, a +0 base attack bonus, the base save bonuses of a sorcerer, and the sorcerer's skill points and class skills.
phizuol
04-16-04, 03:16 PM I know for Anthropomorphic Animals they still lose their HD despite the level adjustment. The "small" animals have 1 HD that is lost when they gain a class level. Some have level adjustments. I forget which book they are listed in... Savage Species? Hope that helps.
Sarig the Genie
04-17-04, 07:19 AM Originally posted by NightScreamer20
Even Pixie's drop thier single 1 HD. It says so under 'Pixies as Characters' right after the Pixie stats in the MM 3.5 on page 236. It's in fact the first sentence under the title 'Pixies as Characters'

I checked yesterday after posting in this thread. (Was now returning to say that I was right) But you guys already did that (:

Think of a Pixie rogue? Fly speed, Natural invisisbility? Now that would rock!

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
TheGnomishWizard 04-16-04, 09:26 AM	Does the rule saying that "1 HD creatures that gain a class level lose that HD and replace it with the class HD" apply to 1 HD creatures with a LA? For instance, does a pixies taking a level of barbarian lose the 1d6 HD it got from being a pixie and replace it with the 1d12 that the barbarian gets?
headlessfriar 04-16-04, 10:18 AM	A pixie has 1 level of "type: fey", that's the d6. They keek that an add class levels to it. An orc, goblin, or other ECL 0 races not in the ph are listed in the MM with one level of warrior, for the most part. That level of warrior is removed to be replaced with the class of your choice when using these creatures. Edit PS: A barbarian pixie? That's a funny mental image, I love it.
Sarig the Genie 04-16-04, 11:12 AM	It applies, I would think, but they'd keep all the nifty stuff that gives them the LA of course ;)
TheGnomishWizard 04-16-04, 01:23 PM	Well I've now had two totally opposite answers. Anyone wanna sway the jury a direction?
Sarig the Genie 04-16-04, 02:33 PM	Hmm, I think I'm wrong on this one (:
ieattrollsforbreakfast 04-16-04, 03:07 PM	Im pretty certain that all monsters, no matter what type they are, lose their racial hit die if it is only 1. Proof that it does not only apply to humanoids can be seen in the entries for Planetouched. From the SRD: Aasimar as Characters Aasimar characters possess the following racial traits. — +2 Wisdom, +2 Charisma. —Medium size. —An aasimar’s base land speed is 30 feet. —Darkvision: Aasimars can see in the dark up to 60 feet. —Racial Skills: Aasimars have a +2 racial bonus on Spot and Listen checks. —Racial Feats: An aasimar gains feats according to its class levels. —Special Attacks (see above): Daylight. —Special Qualities (see above): Resistance to acid 5, cold 5, and electricity 5. —Automatic Languages: Common, Celestial. Bonus Languages: Draconic, Dwarven, Elven, Gnome, Halfling, Sylvan. —Favored Class: Paladin. —Level adjustment +1. Note that despite the planetouched having the outsider type, they do not retain their 1HD for being Outsiders. However, the Aasimar still are warriors. I'm going to look in Savage Species for a better answer. Ah ha! From Savage Species, pg 13 in the siderbar 1 Hit Die Creatures: "A creature with a single hit die, like all standard-race characters, gives up that hit dice when it gains its first class level."
NightScreamer20 04-16-04, 03:15 PM	Even Pixie's drop thier single 1 HD. It says so under 'Pixies as Characters' right after the Pixie stats in the MM 3.5 on page 236. It's in fact the first sentence under the title 'Pixies as Characters' A pixie character exchanges its 1 HD of fey for its first class level, so a 1st-level pixie sorcerer has a d4 Hit Die, a +0 base attack bonus, the base save bonuses of a sorcerer, and the sorcerer's skill points and class skills.
phizuol 04-16-04, 03:16 PM	I know for Anthropomorphic Animals they still lose their HD despite the level adjustment. The "small" animals have 1 HD that is lost when they gain a class level. Some have level adjustments. I forget which book they are listed in... Savage Species? Hope that helps.
Sarig the Genie 04-17-04, 07:19 AM	Originally posted by NightScreamer20 Even Pixie's drop thier single 1 HD. It says so under 'Pixies as Characters' right after the Pixie stats in the MM 3.5 on page 236. It's in fact the first sentence under the title 'Pixies as Characters' I checked yesterday after posting in this thread. (Was now returning to say that I was right) But you guys already did that (: Think of a Pixie rogue? Fly speed, Natural invisisbility? Now that would rock!