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StrahdVonZarovich 01-05-05, 07:17 PM	Well its written in my 2e Monter Manual and they call it ''Moleydeus''. Someone know somethin' about these creatures ? Strange that they aren't in the book though...
cwslyclgh 01-05-05, 07:50 PM	Molydeus were actually slightly less powerful then a balor (statwise), but because if the way they acted as enforcers to make sure everybody was on task for the bloodwar (a very uncharacteristic type of job for a demon, one much more suited to the LE alignment... but I will not get into my problems with 2e planescape fiends or the bloodwar at the moment) passing harsh judgment on those who were not eager enugh to slaughter the devils, and because they carried around great big vopral axes with which to dispense that judgement, even the balors feared them.
Elric Of Melnibone 01-06-05, 08:39 AM	Ral Partha used to make a model it was essentially a giant wolf demon with an extra snake head hense the deus part. I think they are still availiable through rawlcliffe.
Cravensson 01-06-05, 08:45 AM	Ral Partha used to make a model it was essentially a giant wolf demon with an extra snake head hense the deus part. I think they are still availiable through rawlcliffe. Um, "deus" means god in Latin. "Duo" means two. I'm not sure what "moly" means, but my guess is it's supposed to mean something like "evil god". As for what is more powerful than a balor in the demonic heirarchy, there are the molydeus and then there are the demon princes such as Demogorgon, Juiblex, Graz'zt, and all of that crew.
Daurgothoth 01-06-05, 10:32 AM	What about the Klurichir? IIRC in the Fiend Foglio they are described as something even Pit fiends (or were that balors?) have nightmares about. http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/ff_gallery/50117.jpg
Ogre4Hire 01-06-05, 12:04 PM	Yeah, the Klurichir seems to be some sort of bastardized version of the old Molydeus.
Dackad 01-06-05, 09:26 PM	Eh, the Klurichir is missing the snake-head jutting out of its back. I'd say it was more 'inspired' by the molydeus. Back in 2e, the molydeus were not more powerful than the balors, although they were pretty close (stat-wise, I'd give the edge to the balors). It's just that the station that the molydeus served in, allowed them to push balors around sometimes, that and the big, two-headed vorpal axes they carried... EDIT: Oh, and if you're interested, I did a 3.5 version of the Molydeus not too long ago. You can find it here (http://www.geocities.com/paranoidus_maximus/Molydeus.htm).
Shemeska the Marauder 01-06-05, 11:15 PM	http://arcanofox.foxpaws.net/Molydeus%20Tanar'ri.jpg There's the Molydeus for you. I had my players actually trust one of those things. *chuckle* And yeah, the Klurichnir struck me as a cut-rate molydeus made by someone who didn't care for the Planescape critter for whatever reason but made it function in almost the exact same capacity. :rolleyes:
StrahdVonZarovich 01-07-05, 03:52 AM	Eh, the Klurichir is missing the snake-head jutting out of its back. I'd say it was more 'inspired' by the molydeus. Back in 2e, the molydeus were not more powerful than the balors, although they were pretty close (stat-wise, I'd give the edge to the balors). It's just that the station that the molydeus served in, allowed them to push balors around sometimes, that and the big, two-headed vorpal axes they carried... EDIT: Oh, and if you're interested, I did a 3.5 version of the Molydeus not too long ago. You can find it here (http://www.geocities.com/paranoidus_maximus/Molydeus.htm). Thanks, this could be really useful ! any idea whre I could get 2e version of this monster, as it isn't listed in the MM of the 2e, as well as all the other devils 'sides the Marilith and the Baalor. Btw, I'm not a too great expert about the english language(being french) and the way sentences are suppose to be but...shouldn't this sentence : A neutralize poison spell followed by a remove curse cast before the transformation is complete will restore a poison creature to normal be like this instead ? : A neutralize poison spell followed by a remove curse cast before the transformation is complete will restore a poisoned creature to normal. P.S. You musta've a lotsa free time to do these kind of things. I've been wondering for a long time now, do you and the other guys around here(or how do you get such a thing, if that is possible indeed) have some kind of software who allows to instantly generate or convert monsters from previous editions ?
Shemeska the Marauder 01-07-05, 10:46 AM	Thanks, this could be really useful ! any idea whre I could get 2e version of this monster, as it isn't listed in the MM of the 2e, as well as all the other devils 'sides the Marilith and the Baalor. Btw, I'm not a too great expert about the english language(being french) and the way sentences are suppose to be but...shouldn't this sentence : Don't worry, if you hadn't mentioned it, I would have assumed that you were a native english speaker. You've got a better handle of the language than many of my fellow americans here on these boards. *chuckle* But as for the Molydeus... I believe it was originally in the appendix of the 'Planes of Chaos' box set. Most of the other 2e fiends were in the the Planescape Monstrous Compendium I and II, the Planes of Chaos/Conflict/Law box sets, and all of their ecologies were detailed in 'Faces of Evil: The Fiends'. The last book there was one of the single best books ever written for DnD. be like this instead ? : A neutralize poison spell followed by a remove curse cast before the transformation is complete will restore a poisoned creature to normal. Yes, you're right.
Dackad 01-07-05, 09:19 PM	Thanks, this could be really useful ! any idea whre I could get 2e version of this monster, as it isn't listed in the MM of the 2e, as well as all the other devils 'sides the Marilith and the Baalor. The Molydeus is in the 'Planescape Monstrous Compendium I,' a very worthy book to add to your D&D collection, that is, if you can get your hands on it. It's out of print, so getting your hands on a hardcopy might be difficult, but you might be able to purchase a PDF of it somewhere (Shemmy would probably know...) A neutralize poison spell followed by a remove curse cast before the transformation is complete will restore a poison creature to normal be like this instead ? : A neutralize poison spell followed by a remove curse cast before the transformation is complete will restore a poisoned creature to normal. You are very correct. :) P.S. You musta've a lotsa free time to do these kind of things. I've been wondering for a long time now, do you and the other guys around here(or how do you get such a thing, if that is possible indeed) have some kind of software who allows to instantly generate or convert monsters from previous editions ? No software, just lots of hardwork. As with all hardwork, errors often creep through (I am, admittedly, notorious for small, stupid errors like the one above). ;)
Shemeska the Marauder 01-08-05, 12:37 AM	The Molydeus is in the 'Planescape Monstrous Compendium I,' a very worthy book to add to your D&D collection, that is, if you can get your hands on it. It's out of print, so getting your hands on a hardcopy might be difficult, but you might be able to purchase a PDF of it somewhere (Shemmy would probably know...) They probably do, but that's scanned from my copy of the book.
Daurgothoth 01-08-05, 01:02 PM	If I remember correctly, Illssender, a Balor of great might, defeated and imprisoned a Molydeus for trying to bully him around and since then has him continously tortured. He only keeps the Molydeus alive, so he can use his great weapon for himself.
Freefall 01-09-05, 01:29 AM	The thing with the Molydeus in 2E, in addition to it just being pretty darn tough, was that it was only vulnerable to spells and cold-iron weapons, and it had a spell-resistance of 90%, so they were really hard to hurt if you weren't prepared (and most Balors don't have cold-iron weapons on hand). Of course, in 3.5 this would translate into just a DR xx/cold-iron, and in 3.5 demons and devils can't really overcome their own (or each others) DR anyway, so that trait would probably become a lot less special, but in 2E it could make them a pain.
Soel Griffin 01-09-05, 06:07 AM	The thing with the Molydeus in 2E, in addition to it just being pretty darn tough, was that it was only vulnerable to spells and cold-iron weapons, and it had a spell-resistance of 90%, so they were really hard to hurt if you weren't prepared (and most Balors don't have cold-iron weapons on hand). Of course, in 3.5 this would translate into just a DR xx/cold-iron, and in 3.5 demons and devils can't really overcome their own (or each others) DR anyway, so that trait would probably become a lot less special, but in 2E it could make them a pain. I much prefer the 2ed versions of fiend's weaknesses and invulnerabilities. Molydeus was a real monster., and yes their axes vanished when they were slain, so as Daurgothoth related, a very crafty lord kept one imprisoned, with a constant acid drip into its eyes, forever regenerating, keeping death at bay. Always wondered how things would've turned out if that Molydeus would've escaped, and just how insane and completely wrathful it would be!
StrahdVonZarovich 01-09-05, 05:40 PM	Odd monster though...I wonder why they haven't remade it into 3.5 yet...as the ''blood war law enforcer''...hum strange. I guess it look like a lot like that demonic gnoll prince from Book of Vile Darkness, and if it wasn't for that snake which sprouts out from its back, I would have liked them very much. As for Dackard and all the other who helped me out, thanks again guys ! Now the thing is to find the damn MM Compendium here in Quebec, which won't be easy...
Daurgothoth 01-09-05, 07:43 PM	I much prefer the 2ed versions of fiend's weaknesses and invulnerabilities. Molydeus was a real monster., and yes their axes vanished when they were slain, so as Daurgothoth related, a very crafty lord kept one imprisoned, with a constant acid drip into its eyes, forever regenerating, keeping death at bay. Always wondered how things would've turned out if that Molydeus would've escaped, and just how insane and completely wrathful it would be! I wonder if he could affect the Balor at all, considering he was probably a Lord and very powerful. Powerful enough to best the Moly in their fight. About Molydeus vs. Klurichir. I personally think the Klu looks a lot more dangerous and evil than his predecessor.
Dackad 01-09-05, 09:49 PM	The thing with the Molydeus in 2E, in addition to it just being pretty darn tough, was that it was only vulnerable to spells and cold-iron weapons, and it had a spell-resistance of 90%, so they were really hard to hurt if you weren't prepared (and most Balors don't have cold-iron weapons on hand). Of course, in 3.5 this would translate into just a DR xx/cold-iron, and in 3.5 demons and devils can't really overcome their own (or each others) DR anyway, so that trait would probably become a lot less special, but in 2E it could make them a pain. Sure they can, most demons and devils usually do enough damage with physical attacks to bypass each others DR.